BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Not sure wtf gun control has to do with this. Or feeling a need to present both sides re Brexit. Brexit is nowt to do with me. I didn’t vote for it. I think it’s an cr*p idea. And to be fair, I would have sneakily invoked our right to revoke Article 50 had I somehow been PM in charge of doing Brexit. I was just commenting on an article that was linked here. My interest is the validity of the argument, not to defend Brexit!rick_chasey said:Yeah all of it.
We’ve gone over this over and over.
Professional economists, including within the UK government and institutions whose job it is to evaluate Uk economic performance and policy independently, OBR, BoE, all say that Brexit has cost the UK a lot.
How much is up for debate, but we’re talking at the margins. UK consistently underperforms its G7 counterparts. Comments like “oh they don’t mention Germany going into recession this year” when Germany is the *most* exposed g7 country to both the Ukrainian war and a global slowdown, as it’s an export economy, does not a change that materially.
I genuinely think you’re seeing the trees and missing the forest when you read this stuff. You’re too focused with having to present a “both sides” argument.
You should read some foreign press about Brexit, which is David Miliband’s experience as he’s lived in New York for the entirety of Brexit.
It’s similar to our coverage of gun control in the US, in that everyone is baffled why this nonsense position is so popular.
No humanities data is perfect, nor is any comparison perfect.
In aggregate the narrative is obvious, but you seem genuinely overly focused on highlighting the imperfect nature of economic evaluation and presenting that as evidence that whichever side is using that data is wrong.
You present some arguments as to why Germany is underperforming the U.K. economically at the moment. The linked article didn’t. And that’s its problem. (Along with the “unprecedented fall in gdp” reference that has to refer to the covid era as the GFC saw a fall in gdp of 7% so the only post Brexit unprecedented gdp fall is that in the early stages of Covid as any other fall in gdp in clearly precedented.)
It presents a nonsense argument ie “Brexit must be bad as the uk is underperforming the us and Canada” but omitting the “whilst outperforming Germany” part. (In fact, isn’t the whole eurozone in recession at the moment.)
And even if the article is liked by David Miliband, such logical flaws in the opening salvo are a killer to a sceptical (*) reader. Though obviously tame readers will love it as it tells them what they want to hear.
(*) By sceptical I mean someone who whilst anti Brexit still thinks through anti-Brexit arguments.
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It’s not outperformed Germany over the periods since Brexit happened however.
My gun control example is that it’s only in the US that gun control is up for debate.
The rest of the world outside of that political world can see it for what it is.
Same applies to Brexit. Outside of the UK people can see how mad it is.
Even worse, it has created a huge amount of political instability, which compounds all the economic problems.
There’s an opinion piece with a former monetary policy committee member in the FT basically saying UK needs to run itself like an EM economy to get out of the hole.0 -
Team performances vary over time but in the end who will best represent my interests? As far as I can see the alternative sees me as the enemy. The philosophy of Conservatism is the best fit with my views regardless of any short term issues and whining.Pross said:
I suspect there are many on here who are really centre right and who have probably voted Conservative in the past. The issue is that they are looking beyond the colour of the rosette at what they have become and decided it is no longer for them.Stevo_666 said:
Careful now Pross, say things like that and you might get herds of closet lefties piling in to disagree with you every time you postPross said:
I’d be happy with a Thatcher type leader (that might dent my leftie credentials). A strong leader with clear policies (even if I don’t agree with the policies) is better for the country than a weak leader with no political direction.Stevo_666 said:
There will certainly be changes - any party that finds themselves in opposition go through that. If we find ourselves saddled with Labour for 5 years then another Maggie type leader of the Tories may be just what we need to put sort things out after that.Jezyboy said:I wouldn't necessarily rule out adults getting back in charge of the conservatives
I’m sure deep down even you know that the current lot are only Tory in name and weirdly very right-wing in many ways but with an almost socialist view on economic issues. I think you just have to take the burden of the right wing torch and do your best to wind up the Lefties but in your heart must be pining for the Thatcher years
I see my efforts to set the lefties right as giving something back to society on top of the tax that I pay. That said, most of them don't contribute much "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Rick - if I was supporting Brexit you’d have a point. But for the umpteenth time I’m not. I was merely commenting on an article that to my mind, was intellectually deficient as its analysis omits numerous key points. You make some excellent points that the article could have made but didn’t. So if “some guy off the internet” can plug the gaps it’s reasonable to assume the Tony Blair Institute was “asleep at the wheel” when signing off that article, or just appealing to the faithful.rick_chasey said:It’s not outperformed Germany over the periods since Brexit happened however.
My gun control example is that it’s only in the US that gun control is up for debate.
The rest of the world outside of that political world can see it for what it is.
Same applies to Brexit. Outside of the UK people can see how mad it is.
Even worse, it has created a huge amount of political instability, which compounds all the economic problems.
There’s an opinion piece with a former monetary policy committee member in the FT basically saying UK needs to run itself like an EM economy to get out of the hole.
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Tbf most articles in most sources are nothing more than clickbait.
Pick your preferred bait.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Sword.wallace_and_gromit said:
I surely can’t be the only one to be concerned that Mourdant’s “credentials” as leader have been largely, if not solely, proven by how she carried a flag.Stevo_666 said:
I don't know the party well enough to know. I remember ack in the day that I'd not been aware of Cameron until he suddenly jumped into the limelight and Tory leadership pretty sharpish. Mordaunt is the most obvious leader in waiting currently that I know of.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There will certainly be changes - any party that finds themselves in opposition go through that. If we find ourselves saddled with Labour for 5 years then another Maggie type leader of the Tories may be just what we need to put sort things out after that.Jezyboy said:I wouldn't necessarily rule out adults getting back in charge of the conservatives
Anyone of that calibre you can see waiting in the wings? I think Sunak is toast if things stay as they are (and hasn't got the political nous, heft or intellect to turn things around anyway).
I suppose the obvious one remains Hunt, as at least he's got the experience, has some record of pragmatism, and isn't from the loony end of the party, so isn't hostage to them to the same extent.
In the short term, you need to be more worried about leftie loons (the ones in the Labour party, not our resident SNP and leftiebollox fanboi )
She does also seem to prioritise doing her job over GBN appearances and inane tweets, which is quite refreshing. She'll upset all the culture warriors, too. On the basis that she's not a halfwit attention seeker she's more qualified than a lot of the current cabinet.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Sword.wallace_and_gromit said:
I surely can’t be the only one to be concerned that Mourdant’s “credentials” as leader have been largely, if not solely, proven by how she carried a flag.Stevo_666 said:
I don't know the party well enough to know. I remember ack in the day that I'd not been aware of Cameron until he suddenly jumped into the limelight and Tory leadership pretty sharpish. Mordaunt is the most obvious leader in waiting currently that I know of.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There will certainly be changes - any party that finds themselves in opposition go through that. If we find ourselves saddled with Labour for 5 years then another Maggie type leader of the Tories may be just what we need to put sort things out after that.Jezyboy said:I wouldn't necessarily rule out adults getting back in charge of the conservatives
Anyone of that calibre you can see waiting in the wings? I think Sunak is toast if things stay as they are (and hasn't got the political nous, heft or intellect to turn things around anyway).
I suppose the obvious one remains Hunt, as at least he's got the experience, has some record of pragmatism, and isn't from the loony end of the party, so isn't hostage to them to the same extent.
In the short term, you need to be more worried about leftie loons (the ones in the Labour party, not our resident SNP and leftiebollox fanboi )
She does also seem to prioritise doing her job over GBN appearances and inane tweets, which is quite refreshing. She'll upset all the culture warriors, too. On the basis that she's not a halfwit attention seeker she's more qualified than a lot of the current cabinet.
And she had the backbone to allude to Johnson's behaviour in the vote on his suspension, even if she didn't mention his name.
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Sure but if I’m guilty of being too one sided I think sometimes you’re guilty of being “both side-ist” which can be a fault at times.wallace_and_gromit said:
Rick - if I was supporting Brexit you’d have a point. But for the umpteenth time I’m not. I was merely commenting on an article that to my mind, was intellectually deficient as its analysis omits numerous key points. You make some excellent points that the article could have made but didn’t. So if “some guy off the internet” can plug the gaps it’s reasonable to assume the Tony Blair Institute was “asleep at the wheel” when signing off that article, or just appealing to the faithful.rick_chasey said:It’s not outperformed Germany over the periods since Brexit happened however.
My gun control example is that it’s only in the US that gun control is up for debate.
The rest of the world outside of that political world can see it for what it is.
Same applies to Brexit. Outside of the UK people can see how mad it is.
Even worse, it has created a huge amount of political instability, which compounds all the economic problems.
There’s an opinion piece with a former monetary policy committee member in the FT basically saying UK needs to run itself like an EM economy to get out of the hole.
Ultimately I think the standard for which you hold media output is unrealistic.
We all have to use shorthand and rely on other people’s work.
A newspaper is never gonna be perfect.0 -
Meh, I think she's benefited from having little media presence. Her one media appearance that I can think of (where she did more than look good holding a sword) was when she claimed Turkey we're gonna join the EU imminently.rjsterry said:
Sword.wallace_and_gromit said:
I surely can’t be the only one to be concerned that Mourdant’s “credentials” as leader have been largely, if not solely, proven by how she carried a flag.Stevo_666 said:
I don't know the party well enough to know. I remember ack in the day that I'd not been aware of Cameron until he suddenly jumped into the limelight and Tory leadership pretty sharpish. Mordaunt is the most obvious leader in waiting currently that I know of.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There will certainly be changes - any party that finds themselves in opposition go through that. If we find ourselves saddled with Labour for 5 years then another Maggie type leader of the Tories may be just what we need to put sort things out after that.Jezyboy said:I wouldn't necessarily rule out adults getting back in charge of the conservatives
Anyone of that calibre you can see waiting in the wings? I think Sunak is toast if things stay as they are (and hasn't got the political nous, heft or intellect to turn things around anyway).
I suppose the obvious one remains Hunt, as at least he's got the experience, has some record of pragmatism, and isn't from the loony end of the party, so isn't hostage to them to the same extent.
In the short term, you need to be more worried about leftie loons (the ones in the Labour party, not our resident SNP and leftiebollox fanboi )
She does also seem to prioritise doing her job over GBN appearances and inane tweets, which is quite refreshing. She'll upset all the culture warriors, too. On the basis that she's not a halfwit attention seeker she's more qualified than a lot of the current cabinet.0 -
Jezyboy said:
Meh, I think she's benefited from having little media presence. Her one media appearance that I can think of (where she did more than look good holding a sword) was when she claimed Turkey we're gonna join the EU imminently.rjsterry said:
Sword.wallace_and_gromit said:
I surely can’t be the only one to be concerned that Mourdant’s “credentials” as leader have been largely, if not solely, proven by how she carried a flag.Stevo_666 said:
I don't know the party well enough to know. I remember ack in the day that I'd not been aware of Cameron until he suddenly jumped into the limelight and Tory leadership pretty sharpish. Mordaunt is the most obvious leader in waiting currently that I know of.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There will certainly be changes - any party that finds themselves in opposition go through that. If we find ourselves saddled with Labour for 5 years then another Maggie type leader of the Tories may be just what we need to put sort things out after that.Jezyboy said:I wouldn't necessarily rule out adults getting back in charge of the conservatives
Anyone of that calibre you can see waiting in the wings? I think Sunak is toast if things stay as they are (and hasn't got the political nous, heft or intellect to turn things around anyway).
I suppose the obvious one remains Hunt, as at least he's got the experience, has some record of pragmatism, and isn't from the loony end of the party, so isn't hostage to them to the same extent.
In the short term, you need to be more worried about leftie loons (the ones in the Labour party, not our resident SNP and leftiebollox fanboi )
She does also seem to prioritise doing her job over GBN appearances and inane tweets, which is quite refreshing. She'll upset all the culture warriors, too. On the basis that she's not a halfwit attention seeker she's more qualified than a lot of the current cabinet.
I can't say I like her political viewpoint at all, but I think the Tories could do worse, at least on the competence and authority front. And by calling out Johnson, at least she has shown some backbone and respect for processes. The Turkey thing puts a blot on the honesty rating, but it's in the foothills in comparison with Johnson.0 -
Frost's damning assessment of his own negotiations
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
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Funny that when the UK did a trade deal with Australia, lots of people rubbished it and said that the benefits would be miniscule. Now that the EU has done a trade deal with a country 7 times smaller in GDP terms, then that's wonderful?briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The UK government assessment said it would be worth £12 per person per year. The consensus on here was that was worth having given the decision taken, but it's now not even a Brexit bonus.Stevo_666 said:
Funny that when the UK did a trade deal with Australia, lots of people rubbished it and said that the benefits would be miniscule. Now that the EU has done a trade deal with a country 7 times smaller in GDP terms, then that's wonderful?briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
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My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.0 -
I think the main protectionism piece is butter, lamb and beef (which have a limit on the amount that can come into the EU tariff free), plus designated origins for naming things like champage and prosecco. That protects EU producers, not consumers.0
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I thought it was an unwittingly pro Brexit post by Brian.0
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but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
Some comments from seasoned EU observers suggesting that since 2016, the EU has really move a long way away from the EU that it was with Britain (largely as Britain wasn't acting as a counterweight for stuff).
I think even getting into the SM is going to be near on impossible. I'm not sure I'll never forgive May and BoJo for that.0 -
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.0 -
I remain unconvinced that theycan grow and ship enough produce to flood the EU.rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
To me flooding the market would result in crashing prices0 -
a good greengrocer will be at the wholesale market before dawn and will taste before he buys so ensuring the best produce for his customers.rick_chasey said:
*shrugs* Not a big fan of NZ apples vs UK tbf. Too big and watery. Can literally get cheaper British apples in the co-op next door.TheBigBean said:
A Brexit positive?rick_chasey said:
My local greengrocer already stocks quite a lot of NZ produce, so sure, why not.surrey_commuter said:
but enough to flood the EU?rick_chasey said:
They import quite a few apples IIRC. And milk, cheese, butter and milk products are also pretty high on their export list.surrey_commuter said:
My mind is boggled at what products NZ might export halfway around the world to flood the EU.briantrumpet said:It's almost like when you're in a large trading bloc with skilled negotiators that you get good trade deals with third countries.
Th only one that springs to mind is lamb but that I don't see how preventing that flood protects the EU consumer.
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What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
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But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
But this deal was done by the EU, so it must be amazing.orraloon said:
Probably about the same as Thick Lizzy's new Beijing pork markets?Stevo_666 said:
What's the estimated benefit to the EU economy of this fantastic trade deal? (Every little helps, I suppose).briantrumpet said:Here's the detail: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/countries-and-regions/new-zealand/eu-new-zealand-agreement/agreement-explained_en
It's more than about food, but here are the food details:EU stringent food safety rules will not change
The agreement does not affect or undermine EU food safety and animal and plant health legislation because health standards are not negotiable.
The EU keeps its strict approach on health protection for any food safety matter, including genetically modified organisms (GMO).
The EU maintains its right to set maximum levels of residues for pesticides, veterinary medicines or contaminants.
The EU remains free to regulate food safety
The EU remains fully independent in deciding safety criteria for products that reach its market.
The agreement reaffirms the EU’s right to regulate food safety in the interest of EU citizens' health.
The agreement reaffirms the 'precautionary principle', allowing the EU to take measures to protect the health of EU citizens when the scientific evidence on whether imported food is safe or not is inconclusive.
All imported food must comply with the EU’s standards
EU rules apply to all products sold in the EU, whether produced domestically or imported.
A robust system of checks allows the EU to make sure that its rules are respected.
Was this you, talking about the 0.8%-over-ten-years CTPPPTTPPP trade deal a few weeks ago?Tbh when I posted news of a major needs trade deal I had hoped for a bit more than the usual 'but its not the EU' (irrelevant as where we are now its not a one or the other choice); and 'but it's the nasty Torwies' (which seems to be more about people taking out their frustrations in life on the ruling party rather than being relevant to the point).
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