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TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.0 -
The supermarket one is also organic0
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TheBigBean said:
The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.0 -
I suspect it’s more a case of the particular greengrocer opting for the ‘high end’ market I.e those with lots of money who think paying more for something automatically makes it superior. Basically taking the opposite path to the supermarkets.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.0 -
Pross said:
I suspect it’s more a case of the particular greengrocer opting for the ‘high end’ market I.e those with lots of money who think paying more for something automatically makes it superior. Basically taking the opposite path to the supermarkets.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.
Without quizzing various parties, we'll never know.0 -
Fruit and veg at the stall in Epsom market is a lot cheaper than supermarkets. He recently openly a shop in Cobham that charges a lot more.Pross said:
I suspect it’s more a case of the particular greengrocer opting for the ‘high end’ market I.e those with lots of money who think paying more for something automatically makes it superior. Basically taking the opposite path to the supermarkets.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.0 -
Overheads?surrey_commuter said:
Fruit and veg at the stall in Epsom market is a lot cheaper than supermarkets. He recently openly a shop in Cobham that charges a lot more.Pross said:
I suspect it’s more a case of the particular greengrocer opting for the ‘high end’ market I.e those with lots of money who think paying more for something automatically makes it superior. Basically taking the opposite path to the supermarkets.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's definitely as Pross describes. It's not a shop for the poor.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
I suspect it’s more a case of the particular greengrocer opting for the ‘high end’ market I.e those with lots of money who think paying more for something automatically makes it superior. Basically taking the opposite path to the supermarkets.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
i went into a local greengrocer recently. It was £4 for a broccoli crown. When I queried this he told me it was organic. Nearly four times the price of an organic one in the supermarket.briantrumpet said:
To give them their due, they've done a great job of obliterating the 'opposition' - when I first started catering for myself (in the 1980s), there were greengrocers aplenty in Exeter, and the supermarkets were hilariously more expensive for fruit & veg. There are now only three independent greengrocers in the whole of Exeter, I think.
Moments like these make me realise I'll never make a rich person.
I think broccoli is overrated anyway, so it's easy to give it a miss. I suspect it's also a vegetable that is hard to grow organically, hence the price at the greengrocer. It would be an interesting study to find out how the supermarket managed their price in comparison.
Without quizzing various parties, we'll never know.0 -
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.0 -
TheBigBean said:
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.
I've got a feeling that one of the better ones might be a surprise, like Aldi, or something, not cuddly, partnership Waitrose, as one might expect.
But the contracts I've heard about are very one-sided, with all the risk being on the producers' side: a local cauli grower was thoroughly screwed over by one of them: they had to commit to supplying a certain (very large) number at all the requisite times and grades over a period, geared themselves up for it, and part way through the contract the supermarket just pulled out and said "tough, we can get them cheaper elsewhere", giving them the option to reduce the price if they wanted to keep selling them. That farm now has an extremely good and large farm shop.0 -
That's an astonishingly narrow minded approach to business. They'll still need cauliflowers next year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.
I've got a feeling that one of the better ones might be a surprise, like Aldi, or something, not cuddly, partnership Waitrose, as one might expect.
But the contracts I've heard about are very one-sided, with all the risk being on the producers' side: a local cauli grower was thoroughly screwed over by one of them: they had to commit to supplying a certain (very large) number at all the requisite times and grades over a period, geared themselves up for it, and part way through the contract the supermarket just pulled out and said "tough, we can get them cheaper elsewhere", giving them the option to reduce the price if they wanted to keep selling them. That farm now has an extremely good and large farm shop.
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TheBigBean said:
That's an astonishingly narrow minded approach to business. They'll still need cauliflowers next year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.
I've got a feeling that one of the better ones might be a surprise, like Aldi, or something, not cuddly, partnership Waitrose, as one might expect.
But the contracts I've heard about are very one-sided, with all the risk being on the producers' side: a local cauli grower was thoroughly screwed over by one of them: they had to commit to supplying a certain (very large) number at all the requisite times and grades over a period, geared themselves up for it, and part way through the contract the supermarket just pulled out and said "tough, we can get them cheaper elsewhere", giving them the option to reduce the price if they wanted to keep selling them. That farm now has an extremely good and large farm shop.
It is indeed, though the approach was an easier one to navigate/mitigate (for the supermarkets) when they had easier access to a larger geographical range of willing suppliers. (I'm avoiding using the B word here.)
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If memory serves correctly, it was M&S, maybe 20/30 years ago. But my memory is fallible.0
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No-one needs cauliflowers. They're not quite as bad as cabbage and certainly better than sprouts, but they are still an un-necessary evil.TheBigBean said:They'll still need cauliflowers next year.
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An unusual methodology given the thread. 😉briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
That's an astonishingly narrow minded approach to business. They'll still need cauliflowers next year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.
I've got a feeling that one of the better ones might be a surprise, like Aldi, or something, not cuddly, partnership Waitrose, as one might expect.
But the contracts I've heard about are very one-sided, with all the risk being on the producers' side: a local cauli grower was thoroughly screwed over by one of them: they had to commit to supplying a certain (very large) number at all the requisite times and grades over a period, geared themselves up for it, and part way through the contract the supermarket just pulled out and said "tough, we can get them cheaper elsewhere", giving them the option to reduce the price if they wanted to keep selling them. That farm now has an extremely good and large farm shop.
It is indeed, though the approach was an easier one to navigate/mitigate (for the supermarkets) when they had easier access to a larger geographical range of willing suppliers. (I'm avoiding using the B word here.)The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Meanwhile, in the real world, plenty tomatoes, peppers, and for benefit of fatwumman Coffey, turnips. Wozza problem?0
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wallace_and_gromit said:
No-one needs cauliflowers. They're not quite as bad as cabbage and certainly better than sprouts, but they are still an un-necessary evil.TheBigBean said:They'll still need cauliflowers next year.
Fair point. Give me a Swede any day.0 -
pblakeney said:
An unusual methodology given the thread. 😉briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
That's an astonishingly narrow minded approach to business. They'll still need cauliflowers next year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
My farming relatives tell me some of the supermarkets are better than others. Tesco being one of the worst. I've forgotten the good guysbriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:The supermarket one is also organic
Yup, and if they are tricky to grow organically, how do they get such a low price? If there's little or no margin for the grower for the added hassle of organic, why do it?
It's not just 'my hunch' that the producer-retailer relationship is asymmetrical. There's been a fundamental shift in that relationship. I'm sure I've recounted the astonishing interview with a Sainsbury's buyer years ago, talking about milk production, in which he explicitly said it was his aim to drive out the bottom 3rd of producers to make the whole industry more competitive. Maybe that's just the way the world works these days.
I've got a feeling that one of the better ones might be a surprise, like Aldi, or something, not cuddly, partnership Waitrose, as one might expect.
But the contracts I've heard about are very one-sided, with all the risk being on the producers' side: a local cauli grower was thoroughly screwed over by one of them: they had to commit to supplying a certain (very large) number at all the requisite times and grades over a period, geared themselves up for it, and part way through the contract the supermarket just pulled out and said "tough, we can get them cheaper elsewhere", giving them the option to reduce the price if they wanted to keep selling them. That farm now has an extremely good and large farm shop.
It is indeed, though the approach was an easier one to navigate/mitigate (for the supermarkets) when they had easier access to a larger geographical range of willing suppliers. (I'm avoiding using the B word here.)
I thought I'd try a subtle approach for once. Normal service will be resumed in due course.
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briantrumpet said:wallace_and_gromit said:
No-one needs cauliflowers. They're not quite as bad as cabbage and certainly better than sprouts, but they are still an un-necessary evil.TheBigBean said:They'll still need cauliflowers next year.
Fair point. Give me a Swede any day.
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"You won't believe what Greta Thunberg looks like now"0
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Pssst, anyone want some tomatoes?
As seen earlier this evening.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If they used a more conventional display they might sell moreStevo_666 said:Pssst, anyone want some tomatoes?
As seen earlier this evening.0 -
Maybe the shortage is really because they are falling off the display and onto the floor beneath!surrey_commuter said:
If they used a more conventional display they might sell moreStevo_666 said:Pssst, anyone want some tomatoes?
As seen earlier this evening.0 -
And they've still got quite a few left even after that! Tomatogate is surely over and people need to look for the next alleged 'killer' Brexit problemPross said:
Maybe the shortage is really because they are falling off the display and onto the floor beneath!surrey_commuter said:
If they used a more conventional display they might sell moreStevo_666 said:Pssst, anyone want some tomatoes?
As seen earlier this evening.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Double post"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Stevo, as I don't go to supermarkets anymore (online shopping FTW), next time check out where all the tomatoes come from.0
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Sure, what happens after that?rick_chasey said:Stevo, as I don't go to supermarkets anymore (online shopping FTW), next time check out where all the tomatoes come from.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Could you not look on the packaging on your home delivery, or alternatively when you order them it probably says their origin?rick_chasey said:Curious to know where they're coming from.
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