BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yeah, what kind of lowlife gets their hair cut or meets up with friends for lunch?pblakeney said:
Yeah, hairdressers, barbers, nail bars, tattoo parlours, charity shops, chain cafes and takeaways. You are welcome to it.rick_chasey said:
None sense. The high street *as you know it* is dying, it’s becoming something else #lackofimaginationpblakeney said:
This is the high street's death throes.rick_chasey said:pblakeney said:Conclusion - This is not a Brexit issue, it is a supermarket issue. First they started the rot on the high street* now they have started the rot in farming. 👏👏👏
*The internet will finally kill off high street shopping.
And the high street is being killed off also by being useless. They never have what you go in for. Choice is appalling. How often have I heard “you’ll have to check the website”rick_chasey said:So my sister is a fruit & veg buyer at a supermarket.
Brexit is a constant challenge, that they're working hard at to overcome.
To say otherwise is just not true. Just because they can work around it, doesn't mean it isn't a hindrance.
That isn't up for discussion.
Are the shortages caused by Brexit? No.
Is dealing with the shortages more challenging because of Brexit? Yes.
Does it make the UK's food import situation more secure? No. The opposite.
Town is heaving every time I go in, so the appetite to shop is there.
The town is heaving of people with nothing better to do. #lackofimagination
I'd be more accepting if those going "shopping" admitted that they are just going to the pub/bar.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I guess if you are a well paid but anti-social type who is bald then the above outlets may be of limited userjsterry said:
Yeah, what kind of lowlife gets their hair cut or meets up with friends for lunch?pblakeney said:
Yeah, hairdressers, barbers, nail bars, tattoo parlours, charity shops, chain cafes and takeaways. You are welcome to it.rick_chasey said:
None sense. The high street *as you know it* is dying, it’s becoming something else #lackofimaginationpblakeney said:
This is the high street's death throes.rick_chasey said:pblakeney said:Conclusion - This is not a Brexit issue, it is a supermarket issue. First they started the rot on the high street* now they have started the rot in farming. 👏👏👏
*The internet will finally kill off high street shopping.
And the high street is being killed off also by being useless. They never have what you go in for. Choice is appalling. How often have I heard “you’ll have to check the website”rick_chasey said:So my sister is a fruit & veg buyer at a supermarket.
Brexit is a constant challenge, that they're working hard at to overcome.
To say otherwise is just not true. Just because they can work around it, doesn't mean it isn't a hindrance.
That isn't up for discussion.
Are the shortages caused by Brexit? No.
Is dealing with the shortages more challenging because of Brexit? Yes.
Does it make the UK's food import situation more secure? No. The opposite.
Town is heaving every time I go in, so the appetite to shop is there.
The town is heaving of people with nothing better to do. #lackofimagination
I'd be more accepting if those going "shopping" admitted that they are just going to the pub/bar.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You missed my point as that is obviously fair enough. What gets my goat is that they use "shopping" as the excuse with little or no intention. Just say you're going for lunch.rjsterry said:
Yeah, what kind of lowlife gets their hair cut or meets up with friends for lunch?pblakeney said:
Yeah, hairdressers, barbers, nail bars, tattoo parlours, charity shops, chain cafes and takeaways. You are welcome to it.rick_chasey said:
None sense. The high street *as you know it* is dying, it’s becoming something else #lackofimaginationpblakeney said:
This is the high street's death throes.rick_chasey said:pblakeney said:Conclusion - This is not a Brexit issue, it is a supermarket issue. First they started the rot on the high street* now they have started the rot in farming. 👏👏👏
*The internet will finally kill off high street shopping.
And the high street is being killed off also by being useless. They never have what you go in for. Choice is appalling. How often have I heard “you’ll have to check the website”rick_chasey said:So my sister is a fruit & veg buyer at a supermarket.
Brexit is a constant challenge, that they're working hard at to overcome.
To say otherwise is just not true. Just because they can work around it, doesn't mean it isn't a hindrance.
That isn't up for discussion.
Are the shortages caused by Brexit? No.
Is dealing with the shortages more challenging because of Brexit? Yes.
Does it make the UK's food import situation more secure? No. The opposite.
Town is heaving every time I go in, so the appetite to shop is there.
The town is heaving of people with nothing better to do. #lackofimagination
I'd be more accepting if those going "shopping" admitted that they are just going to the pub/bar.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Seems like a pretty inconsequential thing to worry about. I've not got much need for a nail salon myself but I don't see a problem with changes in the way high streets are used. Far better to embrace the change than cling on to something just because it was the way it was before.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
What about all the people the retail sector employs? I'm sure it must be more than pickers in a warehouse.0
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Aha, a Brexit benefit, at last!
Does it matter that it's for Ireland, and the ports of Rosslare, and Cherbourg?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/ports-france-ireland-brexit-cherbourg-rosslareIn 2019, when the UK was still in the Brexit transition period, fewer than 35,000 HGVs passed through the Normandy port on their way to Ireland, Millet said; the average over the past two years, with Britain out of the EU’s regulatory orbit, was 96,000.
“That’s absolutely a Brexit effect,” he said. “The land bridge via Britain is broken, and we’re the beneficiaries.”
The same goes for Rosslare. Geography favoured the port, Ireland’s closest to mainland Europe, as did spare capacity and decent motorway connections to both Dublin and Belfast. As a consequence, the post-Brexit figures tell their own story.
Freight to and from mainland Europe soared from just 36,000 units in 2019 to 125,000 in 2021, and 137,000 in 2022. That has more than offset a slump in freight to and from Britain, which fell from 104,000 units in 2019 to 65,000 in 2021 and 63,500 last year.
Why involve a party that makes things more difficult?0 -
Well that's quite a lot fewer continental lorries using British roads and not paying for them, so a double benefit!0
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I thought all lorries (continental ones included) with a permissible weight over 12 tons had to pay a tariff in the UK, the amount being up to £10 for each day travelled on UK roads, the exact amount per day depending on number of axles and permissible weight.Dorset_Boy said:Well that's quite a lot fewer continental lorries using British roads and not paying for them, so a double benefit!
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On the ebikes thread you were saying how it good it would be if there was less traffic on the roads. So I guess you're not kidding this time, it is a Brexit benefit for youbriantrumpet said:Aha, a Brexit benefit, at last!
Does it matter that it's for Ireland, and the ports of Rosslare, and Cherbourg?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/ports-france-ireland-brexit-cherbourg-rosslareIn 2019, when the UK was still in the Brexit transition period, fewer than 35,000 HGVs passed through the Normandy port on their way to Ireland, Millet said; the average over the past two years, with Britain out of the EU’s regulatory orbit, was 96,000.
“That’s absolutely a Brexit effect,” he said. “The land bridge via Britain is broken, and we’re the beneficiaries.”
The same goes for Rosslare. Geography favoured the port, Ireland’s closest to mainland Europe, as did spare capacity and decent motorway connections to both Dublin and Belfast. As a consequence, the post-Brexit figures tell their own story.
Freight to and from mainland Europe soared from just 36,000 units in 2019 to 125,000 in 2021, and 137,000 in 2022. That has more than offset a slump in freight to and from Britain, which fell from 104,000 units in 2019 to 65,000 in 2021 and 63,500 last year.
Why involve a party that makes things more difficult? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Levy has been suspended since 2021 at least.jimmyjams said:
I thought all lorries (continental ones included) with a permissible weight over 12 tons had to pay a tariff in the UK, the amount being up to £10 for each day travelled on UK roads, the exact amount per day depending on number of axles and permissible weight.Dorset_Boy said:Well that's quite a lot fewer continental lorries using British roads and not paying for them, so a double benefit!
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/heavy-goods-vehicle-hgv-levy-suspension/heavy-goods-vehicle-hgv-levy-suspension#:~:text=UK road network.-,General description of the measure,frozen in 2022 to 2023.
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Deal on the Protocol expected to go public tomorrow“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Is this it for the ERG? Here’s hoping.tailwindhome said:Deal on the Protocol expected to go public tomorrow
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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rick_chasey said:
Mmmm not there yet then
Might be because he doesn't want to reveal the agreement to the nutters. He'll definitely go up in my opinion, by a gnat's crotchet, if he ignores the DUP/ERG nutters, and goes for pragmatism and statecraft. If he caves, there ought to be a General Election, as obviously the ERG would effectively be in power.0 -
He’s a Brexiter he’s one of them in spirit anyway. Don’t know why he gets a free ride on this stuff.0
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rick_chasey said:
He’s a Brexiter he’s one of them in spirit anyway. Don’t know why he gets a free ride on this stuff.
Because he's not a lying two-faced lazy shît like Johnson, or a nutter like Truss.
He's still a Brexit Tory though, and they all need to be gone so that they can go off for ten years, gaze at their navels and wonder what they stand for.0 -
It is possible to separate somebodies policy beliefs from their ability to govern and lead.
If Rishi pulls off a deal that he can get past the nutters, that is effective and sound leadership.
If you can’t recognise that, you are in football team politics.
The prior PMs x2 were both incapable leaders with other major personality flaws. Rishi is a big step up.0 -
X3 surely.0
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He is not. He’s as useless as the rest, he’s just on a shorter leash.morstar said:It is possible to separate somebodies policy beliefs from their ability to govern and lead.
If Rishi pulls off a deal that he can get past the nutters, that is effective and sound leadership.
If you can’t recognise that, you are in football team politics.
The prior PMs x2 were both incapable leaders with other major personality flaws. Rishi is a big step up.
The third week of my broken shoulder is better than the previous two but it’s still a broken shoulder.
He’s lucky the EU has come to its senses post Ukraine invasion and realised they were too punitive.0 -
rick_chasey said:
He’s lucky the EU has come to its senses post Ukraine invasion and realised they were too punitive.
"Brave Rishi puts the imperialistic EU in their place with typical British bulldog spirit!", I think you mean.
Or it's just possible that the EU realised he's not a totally untrustworthy ärsehole, and so the two parties have been able to negotiate something vaguely sensible for both sides. On verra.0 -
No evidence from him he is either more or less trustworthy beyond appointing a series of morons into his cabinet.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
He’s lucky the EU has come to its senses post Ukraine invasion and realised they were too punitive.
"Brave Rishi puts the imperialistic EU in their place with typical British bulldog spirit!", I think you mean.
Or it's just possible that the EU realised he's not a totally untrustworthy ärsehole, and so the two parties have been able to negotiate something vaguely sensible for both sides. On verra.
Because the system has stopped banging it’s head into a brick wall doesn’t mean he’s great.0 -
rick_chasey said:
No evidence from him he is either more or less trustworthy beyond appointing a series of morons into his cabinet.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
He’s lucky the EU has come to its senses post Ukraine invasion and realised they were too punitive.
"Brave Rishi puts the imperialistic EU in their place with typical British bulldog spirit!", I think you mean.
Or it's just possible that the EU realised he's not a totally untrustworthy ärsehole, and so the two parties have been able to negotiate something vaguely sensible for both sides. On verra.
Because the system has stopped banging it’s head into a brick wall doesn’t mean he’s great.
No one is claiming he is. It's an extremely low bar to be better than Johnson or Truss though. That's all. I'm not sure why you want an argument about it.0 -
Because Sunak is getting a very soft ride and it’s annoying me a lot.
Lad was chancellor until last year, we have inflation at 10% and Braverman wrecking all she can in the home office.
What has actually done?0 -
rick_chasey said:
Because Sunak is getting a very soft ride and it’s annoying me a lot.
Fair enough. There's a lot of grumping too about Laura K's softballing Raab this morning, and Fiona B's chairing of Question Time at the moment, so not going hard after Sunak doesn't surprise me.0 -
Well, I did consider 2 vs 3. I’d give Camoron the benefit of not actually er, er, er.kingstongraham said:X3 surely.
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I don’t think he’s done a whole lot. But he has got a chancellor in place who has steadied the ship, is potentially breaking the NI deadlock (he has at least addressed and issue without simply posturing).rick_chasey said:Because Sunak is getting a very soft ride and it’s annoying me a lot.
Lad was chancellor until last year, we have inflation at 10% and Braverman wrecking all she can in the home office.
What has actually done?
So yes, he gets a lot of benefit of a low bar, but it’s forward progress. And progress with such a shambolic party of empty vessels behind him is far from a given.
Our politics is broken, it is slightly less worse currently than it has been.0 -
May?morstar said:
Well, I did consider 2 vs 3. I’d give Camoron the benefit of not actually er, er, er.kingstongraham said:X3 surely.
Ok. 3.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
These Brexshit faction cabal members of the #toryscum party know they have 18 months or so left in power to groom their non-dom offshore tax-dodging accounts so xxxx everyone else. Can King Brian plus some tanks initiate a purge sooner please.0
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Oh FFS. It really is dreadful isn’t it.pblakeney said:
May?morstar said:
Well, I did consider 2 vs 3. I’d give Camoron the benefit of not actually er, er, er.kingstongraham said:X3 surely.
Ok. 3.1
