BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?0 -
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.0 -
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I doubt anyone is saying its a massive crisis, but its yet another example of things being a bit more rubbish. And essentially, no benefits to balance things out.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0
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In particular, a promised direct shipping service from Tangiers to the UK never happened so everything has to go via the EU.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So you're agreeing it isn't a big issue?kingstongraham said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats0 -
Why on earth is the government getting involved in the details of supermarket buying?!?!surrey_commuter said:
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats0 -
If you can read, I beg you to use that skill.Stevo_666 said:
So you're agreeing it isn't a big issue?kingstongraham said:0 -
Food security is important, so if you realise it's a priority and you have the right people with the right contacts and industry knowledge to completely balls it up then why not get involved?rick_chasey said:
Why on earth is the government getting involved in the details of supermarket buying?!?!surrey_commuter said:
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I'll be generous and assume this is a deliberate act of you not wanting to understand simple concepts.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.0 -
Sure but this is the innards of supermarket supply chains!??!pangolin said:
Food security is important, so if you realise it's a priority and you have the right people with the right contacts and industry knowledge to completely balls it up then why not get involved?rick_chasey said:
Why on earth is the government getting involved in the details of supermarket buying?!?!surrey_commuter said:
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats
WTF does the government know about buying transporting and selling fresh food?
That's the food industry's job. Nothing to do with the gov't.
I swear when it comes to food people start thinking weirdly. It's just a market like any other.
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Read what I wrote again.rick_chasey said:
Sure but this is the innards of supermarket supply chains!??!pangolin said:
Food security is important, so if you realise it's a priority and you have the right people with the right contacts and industry knowledge to completely balls it up then why not get involved?rick_chasey said:
Why on earth is the government getting involved in the details of supermarket buying?!?!surrey_commuter said:
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats
WTF does the government know about buying transporting and selling fresh food?
That's the food industry's job. Nothing to do with the gov't.
I swear when it comes to food people start thinking weirdly. It's just a market like any other.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Politics ha been very hectic recently but the last but one wearer of the blue rosette turned out to be more in favour of a command economy than wearers of the red rosette have traditionally been.rick_chasey said:
Sure but this is the innards of supermarket supply chains!??!pangolin said:
Food security is important, so if you realise it's a priority and you have the right people with the right contacts and industry knowledge to completely balls it up then why not get involved?rick_chasey said:
Why on earth is the government getting involved in the details of supermarket buying?!?!surrey_commuter said:
You are right, the Govt set up a direct ferry service to run twice a week for exactly the point you make.Stevo_666 said:
They don't have to go through the EU, or can make use of transit provisions, so that sounds like Eurobollox to me. So still doesn't look like a Brext issue.kingstongraham said:
Again, can you read?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't explain why Moroccan tomato growers would not sell to the UK.kingstongraham said:
Can you read?Stevo_666 said:
I went a few days ago. Didn't notice anything but then again I wasn't shopping for tomatoes.kingstongraham said:
Been to a supermarket in the last few days? It's not a crisis, but it's not great.Stevo_666 said:
Beat me to it. There's been some bad weather in tomato growing regions and there is a bit of a shortage. What's the bloody fuss about?surrey_commuter said:
I am not convinced that growing tomatoes in greenhouses in the middle of a UK winter is the best use of the world's resources.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Autarky is the route to ruin.morstar said:
I feel your pain. Every time I have mentioned having a broad, and to some degree, self supporting economy, I heard autarky.briantrumpet said:If I could be bothered, I'd search for dismissive replies to my suggestion that relying too heavily on imported food wasn't a great idea in an uncertain world.
Oh how quickly times change!
Better?
Whenever I have suggested UK farming needs to become much more productive I get told British soil can’t handle it for the most part.
It’s been net importuning food for over a century. We’re not at war, there’s no blockade. That’s clearly not the issue.
Neither of us is suggesting autarky is either desirable or possible, and though war isn't the issue for the fruit & veg in this instance, that's one of the variables that can upset global supplies (with Ukraine, it's grain and sunflower oil).
But I am suggesting it's not wise to offshore too much food production, when farmable land could all too easily permanently be lost because of temporary economic forces. That's a long way from advocating autarky.
What is wrong with people that a shortage of tomatoes becomes a crisis rather than a minor inconvenience
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
What's it got to do with Brexit?
And while you're at it, tell me why its a big issue. Try not to be condescending this time.It's not a crisis, but it's not great.
Also, the relevance to this thread is that the Moroccan (and Spanish) growers find it easier and more lucrative to sell into the EU, so when there is a shortage, that's what they'll do. There might be a similar problem later and to a lesser extent in the EU.
It's easier to supply from Morocco to the EU rather than through the EU to the UK, so when there are more buyers in the EU, that's who they'll supply.
Unfortunately they gave the contract to a company with no boats
WTF does the government know about buying transporting and selling fresh food?
That's the food industry's job. Nothing to do with the gov't.
I swear when it comes to food people start thinking weirdly. It's just a market like any other.
I am guessing that disrupting the foodchain was one of the undiscussed downsides of Brexit so the Govt's mitigation policy was to subsidise a company to run ferries twice a week to Tangiers. Unfortunately they did a Grayling and appointed a shipping company with no ships. I am sure it was an easy mistake to make.0 -
Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!0 -
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat0 -
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat0 -
Ship goods directly from Tangier to Poole without going through the EU, to make it more streamlined and avoid any of the complexities that going across the EU border twice introduces. Nicknamed the "Brexit buster".rick_chasey said:
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat0 -
What goods? Who's goods? from where to where?kingstongraham said:
Ship goods directly from Tangier to Poole without going through the EU, to make it more streamlined and avoid any of the complexities that going across the EU border twice introduces. Nicknamed the "Brexit buster".rick_chasey said:
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat0 -
rick_chasey said:
What goods? Who's goods? from where to where?kingstongraham said:
Ship goods directly from Tangier to Poole without going through the EU, to make it more streamlined and avoid any of the complexities that going across the EU border twice introduces. Nicknamed the "Brexit buster".rick_chasey said:
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat0 -
My recipe books need updating, I've never seen one state Moroccan tomatoes so can't comment on my favourite dish made from them.0
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This is not remotely helpful.kingstongraham said:rick_chasey said:
What goods? Who's goods? from where to where?kingstongraham said:
Ship goods directly from Tangier to Poole without going through the EU, to make it more streamlined and avoid any of the complexities that going across the EU border twice introduces. Nicknamed the "Brexit buster".rick_chasey said:
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat
There is a market place for food, like anything else.0 -
I don't know what you want to know. We left the EU, which made it more complex to bring food from Morocco to the UK through Europe, and someone decided to set up a company to run a ferry direct to avoid this. The brexiters lauded it as a great thing, then it never happened.rick_chasey said:
This is not remotely helpful.kingstongraham said:rick_chasey said:
What goods? Who's goods? from where to where?kingstongraham said:
Ship goods directly from Tangier to Poole without going through the EU, to make it more streamlined and avoid any of the complexities that going across the EU border twice introduces. Nicknamed the "Brexit buster".rick_chasey said:
I know but what was the thinking. I don't understand what they were trying to do.surrey_commuter said:
I am not making myself very clear.rick_chasey said:Sure but I mean what were they thinking?
Which company is using the boat? for what produce? From which supplier?!
They solved the problem of which company with what product from which supplier by not having a boat
There is a market place for food, like anything else.0 -
Meanwhile, in the real world, local Coop has a load of peppers, tomatoes et al, with quite a lot on reduced price stickers as nearing use by dates. But hey, that's not clickbait is it? Carry on sniping.0
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Obviously they are not out of stock nationwide, but on my last weekly shop I had to go to 3 shops to find any toms or peppers.orraloon said:Meanwhile, in the real world, local Coop has a load of peppers, tomatoes et al, with quite a lot on reduced price stickers as nearing use by dates. But hey, that's not clickbait is it? Carry on sniping.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Different buyers different suppliers.orraloon said:Meanwhile, in the real world, local Coop has a load of peppers, tomatoes et al, with quite a lot on reduced price stickers as nearing use by dates. But hey, that's not clickbait is it? Carry on sniping.
I’m biased but the supermarkets with good buying teams are not struggling…0
