BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
Comments
-
https://youtu.be/70kLfzwuBkw
‘I’m glad we are leaving the EU, and I voted for this…….but it’s a bit shit’
Classic0 -
In the 21st Century it must be one of the few jobs you can turn up so p1ssed you are slurring and incoherent and nobody even mentions itskyblueamateur said:https://youtu.be/70kLfzwuBkw
‘I’m glad we are leaving the EU, and I voted for this…….but it’s a bit censored ’
Classic0 -
If Sunak can get something 'sorted' without caving into the DUP & Brexit loons, I'll give him some credit.0
-
He could just ignore the ERG on the grounds they will whine about anything.briantrumpet said:If Sunak can get something 'sorted' without caving into the DUP & Brexit loons, I'll give him some credit.
Is there a practical reason he needs the DUP’s blessing?0 -
Aren't they refusing to let there be a ni administration and parliament until they're happy?surrey_commuter said:
He could just ignore the ERG on the grounds they will whine about anything.briantrumpet said:If Sunak can get something 'sorted' without caving into the DUP & Brexit loons, I'll give him some credit.
Is there a practical reason he needs the DUP’s blessing?0 -
surrey_commuter said:
He could just ignore the ERG on the grounds they will whine about anything.briantrumpet said:If Sunak can get something 'sorted' without caving into the DUP & Brexit loons, I'll give him some credit.
Is there a practical reason he needs the DUP’s blessing?
I'm guessing it's all to do with the NI Assembly, but I've no idea really. Over to TWH...
0 -
From the Graun (not enlightening what happens if the loons & DUP object)... compromises on both sides.EU officials believe a deal with the British government over the Northern Ireland protocol is close to being done, as talks continue in Brussels.
The foreign secretary, James Cleverly, began a meeting with the EU official in charge of Brexit, Maroš Šefčovič at around 11.30am local time in Brussels, in a sign that talks have entered the final stretch.
The EU is understood to have conceded ground on the issue of customs checks on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. The UK had proposed a system of red and green lanes for lorries that would allow goods in the latter category to avoid customs declarations.
EU officials believe a compromise with lighter checks is possible, because the UK has now agreed to share real-time customs data to track the movement of goods.
The role of the European court of justice in policing the Northern Ireland agreement will remain, but there will be more layers of arbitration before disputes are referred to Luxembourg. Currently, the first port of call for disputes is a UK-EU “specialised committee”, but there will be additional fora for airing disputes about the protocol, before going to the European court.
EU sources expect Rishi Sunak to announce a deal on Tuesday, but remain unsure whether he can sell the deal to his Eurosceptic backbenchers and the DUP. “With the UK, you never know,” said an official. “We should hope [there is a deal] because I don’t see anyone else who is capable of doing it.”
“The question is, to what extent can [Sunak] convince his party members that there is enough meat for them to accept - to what in their eyes will always be a sub optimal deal.”0 -
I'm not sure why Wrecker Frost keeps on posting his delusional stuff on Twitter... it would be like me putting my A-level maths homework up for public scrutiny... people would just laugh at it. Fortunately the future of a country didn't rely on my homework being up to scratch, and I never claimed that I was a genius mathematician.
Anyway, Frost gets the replies he deserves.
0 -
I see the DUP are being their usual positive selves: "Abandoning NI to the EU"
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
Surprised his head fits through doors.briantrumpet said:I'm not sure why Wrecker Frost keeps on posting his delusional stuff on Twitter... it would be like me putting my A-level maths homework up for public scrutiny... people would just laugh at it. Fortunately the future of a country didn't rely on my homework being up to scratch, and I never claimed that I was a genius mathematician.
Anyway, Frost gets the replies he deserves.
I suspect his idea of a good night is sitting infront of a mirror with his trousers off.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Surprised his head fits through doors.briantrumpet said:I'm not sure why Wrecker Frost keeps on posting his delusional stuff on Twitter... it would be like me putting my A-level maths homework up for public scrutiny... people would just laugh at it. Fortunately the future of a country didn't rely on my homework being up to scratch, and I never claimed that I was a genius mathematician.
Anyway, Frost gets the replies he deserves.
I suspect his idea of a good night is sitting infront of a mirror with his trousers off.
Dunning Kruger for everyone to see. Except Frost, obvs.
Of all the Brexiters, I suspect that Gove is pretty much the only one who might have a little self-awareness, and cares a tiny bit about it.0 -
It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If you look beyond the DUP initially supporting Brexit their position is understandable. Their main problem is the increasingly large number of people in GB who are not really bothered and think Ireland should just be united. No better demonstration of this than the idea that Brexit has been done.tailwindhome said:It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
0 -
I thought it was argued you had the best of both worlds and that relatively speaking the NI economy was doing better than GB.tailwindhome said:It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
If I had a choice of London and the SE being in the European single market or the UK I would chose the former.
I may be an outlier as I have no emotional attachment to the UK0 -
surrey_commuter said:
I may be an outlier as I have no emotional attachment to the UK
I've got less than I had in 2016. But I'd still like it to prosper, hence my sadness about stupid stupid Brexit.
0 -
And I'm really pleased that the NI economy (and Ireland's) is doing well. Which is why I find the DUP's stance idiotic. But that's the Brexit mentality, I guess: pragmatism takes second place to dogma.0
-
Not sure that NI is doing well. It did better during covid due to the greater amount of public sector employment.0
-
TheBigBean said:
Not sure that NI is doing well. It did better during covid due to the greater amount of public sector employment.
It seems to depend what time frame you take.
https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/insights/northern-ireland-potential-post-brexit/On an annual basis, Northern Ireland's output increased by 2.4% over the year to June 2022. This was a lower rate than the UK (2.9%), Scotland (3.5%) and Ireland (10.8%). However, on a triennial basis, Northern Irish output increased at a faster rate than UK GDP (4.6% versus 1.1%).
This increase was largely driven by growth in the services sector (up two percentage points) and the public sector (1.2). Production and construction also experienced an increase of 0.7 and 0.2 percentage points, respectively.
According to Nisra's Index of Services, Northern Irish service output is 4.4% above pre-Covid-19 levels, while UK service output is 1.2% above its Q4 2019 rate.0 -
yep, and i have the same emotional attachment to the uk that the uk has to me: zerosurrey_commuter said:
I thought it was argued you had the best of both worlds and that relatively speaking the NI economy was doing better than GB.tailwindhome said:It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
If I had a choice of London and the SE being in the European single market or the UK I would chose the former.
I may be an outlier as I have no emotional attachment to the UK
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
I think for a fair comparison you don't get the whole of London and the South East....you get an area of around 2 million people.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was argued you had the best of both worlds and that relatively speaking the NI economy was doing better than GB.tailwindhome said:It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
If I had a choice of London and the SE being in the European single market or the UK I would chose the former.
I may be an outlier as I have no emotional attachment to the UK
You then consider that you're in the Single Market but have no input or say in those Single Market rules (an arrangement I'm told is unacceptable for the rest of the UK)
All the major pharmaceutical companies have said that having EU testing/licensing requirements for your local hospital isn't viable so are giving notice that they'll be ceasing the supply of 100s of medicines. Also new medicines approved in the rest of the country aren't automatically approved for you
If you want to take your dog for a walk outside of your region it'll need a pet passport and rabies injections
Your local supermarket relies on a distribution network that's based outside of your region, so all UK/EU paperwork and checks must be applied to every Tesco lorry coming in. Because your applying rules designed for interactive trade to regional supply chains (mixed loads) that's potentially 100s of forms for every lorry.
That doesn't consider all the areas where food distribution is simply banned...chilled meats for example
The Chancellor wants to boost UK economic performance by reducing VAT on building material (for example)...that's not available in your region. EU rules.
Nor is there any state aid for ailing industry in your region.
Sure you can buy an sell goods unrestricted from the Single Market....you're going to need to with the barriers to trade we've set up with rUK...but this arrangement doesn't cover services.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I still vote for the honesty box system.tailwindhome said:
I think for a fair comparison you don't get the whole of London and the South East....you get an area of around 2 million people.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was argued you had the best of both worlds and that relatively speaking the NI economy was doing better than GB.tailwindhome said:It's useful to understand the DUPs position to ask yourself, even aside from all the baggage of the Troubles, whether or not you'd accept the Protocol arrangements being imposed by the government on the region of the UK in which you live.
If I had a choice of London and the SE being in the European single market or the UK I would chose the former.
I may be an outlier as I have no emotional attachment to the UK
You then consider that you're in the Single Market but have no input or say in those Single Market rules (an arrangement I'm told is unacceptable for the rest of the UK)
All the major pharmaceutical companies have said that having EU testing/licensing requirements for your local hospital isn't viable so are giving notice that they'll be ceasing the supply of 100s of medicines. Also new medicines approved in the rest of the country aren't automatically approved for you
If you want to take your dog for a walk outside of your region it'll need a pet passport and rabies injections
Your local supermarket relies on a distribution network that's based outside of your region, so all UK/EU paperwork and checks must be applied to every Tesco lorry coming in. Because your applying rules designed for interactive trade to regional supply chains (mixed loads) that's potentially 100s of forms for every lorry.
That doesn't consider all the areas where food distribution is simply banned...chilled meats for example
The Chancellor wants to boost UK economic performance by reducing VAT on building material (for example)...that's not available in your region. EU rules.
Nor is there any state aid for ailing industry in your region.
Sure you can buy an sell goods unrestricted from the Single Market....you're going to need to with the barriers to trade we've set up with rUK...but this arrangement doesn't cover services.0 -
Amazing reports on Sunak's trip to Belfast
BBC News - NI Protocol: DUP leader facing his own 'big moment'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64687940
TL;DR
It was a secret meeting between the DUP and the PM, but a journalist happened to be in the hotel, spotted the police and NIO staff and twigged something was up.
The NIO then had to scramble to invite the other parties as cover, the meeting being announced before the invites went out, and the invites went to incorrect email addresses“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Mentaltailwindhome said:Amazing reports on Sunak's trip to Belfast
BBC News - NI Protocol: DUP leader facing his own 'big moment'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64687940
TL;DR
It was a secret meeting between the DUP and the PM, but a journalist happened to be in the hotel, spotted the police and NIO staff and twigged something was up.
The NIO then had to scramble to invite the other parties as cover, the meeting being announced before the invites went out, and the invites went to incorrect email addresses0 -
The ERG are coming for Sunak, using the Protocol as an issue.
They're going to try to remove him after the local elections“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
They’re off their heads. Surely a GE is needed if they get rid of another one?0
-
They are so done as a party it is almost unreal.0
-
I just don't understand how the ERG still has such sway. A load of absolute political wreckers who haven't achieved anything positive for either their own political party or the country .0
-
It's all good news for Labour - the longer the train crash of the Tories' infighting and incompetence carries on, the more Labour's likely win at the GE will be baked into people's minds and the money will follow them.0
-
Yes and no, without going around some of the arguments made on other threads, weak oppositions do not seem to have helped the Tories govern the country well.
0 -
Jezyboy said:
Yes and no, without going around some of the arguments made on other threads, weak oppositions do not seem to have helped the Tories govern the country well.
I can't see how the Tories reform themselves without something like a wipe-out at the polls, the same way that Corbyn's disastrous election performances allowed Starmer the space to lever out the idiots who would rather have a pure socialist party out of power rather than a left-of-centre party in power. The ERG needs to be shunted off into Farageland, and the rest of the Tory Party regain its senses.0
