BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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As if the EU would have the UK. Lol.
I think if they spelled out what rejoining meant, in that it would not be the arrangement Britain had before, then it would be a very different poll.
Of the actual specific practical possibilities, I suspect the most support would be for membership of single market and customs union.0 -
Yeah, I don't think I would vote to rejoin under the terms we'd be likely to get but definitely feels we should look for some kind of single market arrangement. I think the UK will have done a good job of deterring any other countries that were thinking of leaving.0
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it amazes me that after all this time you still over estimate the intelligence of the UK electorate.rick_chasey said:As if the EU would have the UK. Lol.
I think if they spelled out what rejoining meant, in that it would not be the arrangement Britain had before, then it would be a very different poll.
Of the actual specific practical possibilities, I suspect the most support would be for membership of single market and customs union.
Give me one example of something that has happened over the last 6 years that makes you think there would be a reasoned debate and consideration of the "actual specific practical possibilities"
This is a country that socked it to the establishment elite by voting for Boris and then was heartened to see that their lead negotiator wore Union Jack socks.
How about - since Brexit we allow an extra 200,000 Bangladeshi/Pakistan and Indian immigrants per year if we don't stop this soon they will outnumber us and 2 billion more will be coming this way.
So my bus slogan would be "vote join and stop 350 million Indians a week0 -
We should never have left as we had the dream deal which will never be offered again.
Looking forward. Joining the EU means the Euro so will never be voted for. Trade deals is the best we can do.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
BritishVolt a company described by Boris as driving our green industrial revolution and a key component in us becoming a global hub for EV manufacturing.
BritishVolt a company described as having no money, no product and not a single customer.
Today we see the winner of the contest between boosterism and reality.
Genuine chapeau to Shapps for refusing to keep funding them0 -
I don't understand the noise. They had an idea and they failed to finance it. Hardly unprecedented.surrey_commuter said:BritishVolt a company described by Boris as driving our green industrial revolution and a key component in us becoming a global hub for EV manufacturing.
BritishVolt a company described as having no money, no product and not a single customer.
Today we see the winner of the contest between boosterism and reality.
Genuine chapeau to Shapps for refusing to keep funding them0 -
It was a big flagship of Brexit and levelling up and a demonstration of how Govts can make a difference.TheBigBean said:
I don't understand the noise. They had an idea and they failed to finance it. Hardly unprecedented.surrey_commuter said:BritishVolt a company described by Boris as driving our green industrial revolution and a key component in us becoming a global hub for EV manufacturing.
BritishVolt a company described as having no money, no product and not a single customer.
Today we see the winner of the contest between boosterism and reality.
Genuine chapeau to Shapps for refusing to keep funding them
It is more than symbolic as rules of origin mean that if UK car manufacturers want to export cars then they will need UK made batteries. We currently only have battery capacity for one third of projected EV cars.0 -
agreedsurrey_commuter said:BritishVolt a company described by Boris as driving our green industrial revolution and a key component in us becoming a global hub for EV manufacturing.
BritishVolt a company described as having no money, no product and not a single customer.
Today we see the winner of the contest between boosterism and reality.
Genuine chapeau to Shapps for refusing to keep funding them
always struck me as another one those jumping on the post-brexit opportunity to extract tax-payers' money from a desperate brexiter government (see also: freeports)
if investors believed in the company and it's prospects in the uk, it'd have attracted funding
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
The UKIP band trying to get a foothold in Ireland
Hermann Kelly - former UKIP spin doctor
And you're familiar with this one
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Nice to see Buster Merryfield there, thought he died years ago.
Huge protest that, it could bring down the Government. It’s not like the Irish have a history of being immigrants so you can see why they would speak out.0 -
Starting to get a foothold in Dublin where there's high immigration and high housing costs. Protests outside hotels accommodating immigrants.Pross said:Nice to see Buster Merryfield there, thought he died years ago.
Huge protest that, it could bring down the Government. It’s not like the Irish have a history of being immigrants so you can see why they would speak out.
The usual right wing playbook“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Saw this on RTE when I was in Monaghan yesterday.tailwindhome said:The UKIP band trying to get a foothold in Ireland
Hermann Kelly - former UKIP spin doctor
And you're familiar with this one
‘Ireland is full’ when there’s 4 cranks protesting in an empty street. Ireland is the fastest growing economy in Europe and have been one of the biggest beneficiaries of Brexit.
The irony of Brexit being largely responsible for a growing economy, Sinn Fein being the largest party in NI, likely to be the party in power in ROI and unification being closer then it has ever been is still lost on the DUP.
That’s some cutting your nose off to spite your face.
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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It's going to be fun explaining to future generations how a politician who never won a seat, and whose party never won a seat in a GE, was able to force through a project that really censored the country.tailwindhome said:
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Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.0 -
Seem to recall not that long ago you refusing to believe that tax could influence things like where people base themselves or their businesses. Have you changed your mind now?rick_chasey said:Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.
Also would this sort of thing not constitute tax avoidance of some sort in your mind? It was only the other day that Cake Stop was up in arms about a government minister allegedly using Gibraltar to reduce his tax bill
And yet this is a 'good story'...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
GB News join intailwindhome said:The UKIP band trying to get a foothold in Ireland
Hermann Kelly - former UKIP spin doctor
And you're familiar with this one
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I think you’ve misunderstood what qualifies as a good story and I stand by that tax competition is a net cost to the world.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall not that long ago you refusing to believe that tax could influence things like where people base themselves or their businesses. Have you changed your mind now?rick_chasey said:Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.
Also would this sort of thing not constitute tax avoidance of some sort in your mind? It was only the other day that Cake Stop was up in arms about a government minister allegedly using Gibraltar to reduce his tax bill
And yet this is a 'good story'....0 -
Explain the difference then.rick_chasey said:
I think you’ve misunderstood what qualifies as a good story and I stand by that tax competition is a net cost to the world.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall not that long ago you refusing to believe that tax could influence things like where people base themselves or their businesses. Have you changed your mind now?rick_chasey said:Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.
Also would this sort of thing not constitute tax avoidance of some sort in your mind? It was only the other day that Cake Stop was up in arms about a government minister allegedly using Gibraltar to reduce his tax bill
And yet this is a 'good story'...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It is a dilema. Given the public debt, as society we want / need everyone to pay all tax due, without blatant avoindance. However on an individual basis we all (legitimately) want to minimise our tax burden. So some sympathy with Rick's views.0
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Tax details - boring storyStevo_666 said:
Explain the difference then.rick_chasey said:
I think you’ve misunderstood what qualifies as a good story and I stand by that tax competition is a net cost to the world.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall not that long ago you refusing to believe that tax could influence things like where people base themselves or their businesses. Have you changed your mind now?rick_chasey said:Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.
Also would this sort of thing not constitute tax avoidance of some sort in your mind? It was only the other day that Cake Stop was up in arms about a government minister allegedly using Gibraltar to reduce his tax bill
And yet this is a 'good story'....
Lying about them, while in government, while lecturing the public about how everyone will have to tighten their belts, while chancellor - Biiiig story, frothing journalists, bad interviews, resignations. The Works.
If every detail was identical save for the colour of Zahawi's rosette, I don't think we need to guess what side you'd be on...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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There was a story last weem that the number of people in the EU earning over £1m had gone up 40% which euates to about 500 people.
That does not sound much but it equates to approx £250m in taxes. Now that does not sound much but I reckon that if you assume the average joe pays £5k in tax a year then it is the equivalent of creating/losing 50,000 jobs0 -
There are many people who believe in trickle down economicsrick_chasey said:Fwiw Italy is handing out monster tax breaks for the first bunch of years when you move.
Heard a good story of guys who were about to sell business for billions (in London). It was in the pipeline for more than a year.
Anyway, they managed to all move to Italy and get residency there just before it closed, and to celebrate they had quite the ludicrous debauched party that befitted the island they did it on; Capri.0 -
Presumably those people haven't gone from earning nothing to earning £1m though?
I'd guess that they were earning just under a million last year and just over a million this year so the tax income hasn't gone up all that much.surrey_commuter said:There was a story last weem that the number of people in the EU earning over £1m had gone up 40% which euates to about 500 people.
That does not sound much but it equates to approx £250m in taxes. Now that does not sound much but I reckon that if you assume the average joe pays £5k in tax a year then it is the equivalent of creating/losing 50,000 jobs0 -
sorry, should have been more clear. They have moved from the UKmonkimark said:Presumably those people haven't gone from earning nothing to earning £1m though?
I'd guess that they were earning just under a million last year and just over a million this year so the tax income hasn't gone up all that much.surrey_commuter said:There was a story last weem that the number of people in the EU earning over £1m had gone up 40% which euates to about 500 people.
That does not sound much but it equates to approx £250m in taxes. Now that does not sound much but I reckon that if you assume the average joe pays £5k in tax a year then it is the equivalent of creating/losing 50,000 jobs0 -
I think your assumptions are off. Effective tax rate at average salary is nearly 24% + VAT, Council tax and VED. Alternatively divide overall revenue by taxpayer population.surrey_commuter said:There was a story last weem that the number of people in the EU earning over £1m had gone up 40% which euates to about 500 people.
That does not sound much but it equates to approx £250m in taxes. Now that does not sound much but I reckon that if you assume the average joe pays £5k in tax a year then it is the equivalent of creating/losing 50,000 jobs1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
