BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.0
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Or vice Versa surely.TheBigBean said:If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.
It’s not a significant practical problem from either angle, it’s an emotive one.0 -
morstar said:
Or vice Versa surely.TheBigBean said:If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.
It’s not a significant practical problem from either angle, it’s an emotive one.
It looks vaguely promising, other than "Truss said she was willing to negotiate but only if the EU gave in to all UK demands", as that's not negotiating.0 -
It's not that promising because it still requires all the paperwork. If it was for the other border there would be a lower paperwork requirement.briantrumpet said:morstar said:
Or vice Versa surely.TheBigBean said:If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.
It’s not a significant practical problem from either angle, it’s an emotive one.
It looks vaguely promising, other than "Truss said she was willing to negotiate but only if the EU gave in to all UK demands", as that's not negotiating.0 -
TheBigBean said:
It's not that promising because it still requires all the paperwork. If it was for the other border there would be a lower paperwork requirement.briantrumpet said:morstar said:
Or vice Versa surely.TheBigBean said:If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.
It’s not a significant practical problem from either angle, it’s an emotive one.
It looks vaguely promising, other than "Truss said she was willing to negotiate but only if the EU gave in to all UK demands", as that's not negotiating.
Was the paperwork part of the negotiated agreement?0 -
It was part of the protocol that was designed to change to minimise disruption.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
It's not that promising because it still requires all the paperwork. If it was for the other border there would be a lower paperwork requirement.briantrumpet said:morstar said:
Or vice Versa surely.TheBigBean said:If there is very little need to physically check trucks, it makes me wonder why the border couldn't be in place between the UK and the EU.
It’s not a significant practical problem from either angle, it’s an emotive one.
It looks vaguely promising, other than "Truss said she was willing to negotiate but only if the EU gave in to all UK demands", as that's not negotiating.
Was the paperwork part of the negotiated agreement?0 -
Could go in a number of threads. But I thought Sinn Fein's charm offensive this week was more interesting in this context
Not least because the DUP would have the Speaker role in the Assembly if it wasn't for the Protocol boycott and would have been responsible for the Assembly welcome to Charles“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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The thing that's done and can't be spoken of is still rumbling on in a Belfast
Short version
Barrister acting for the DUP agri minister thinks he's found a flaw in the drafting which means checks aren't required
The UK Gov argues you have to see the bigger framework, that the UK is no longer a unitary state for food regs
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Not that I'm unhappy at not trying to get a US trade deal at any price (as that's what it would be), but yet another part of the Brexit prospectus unravels. Not much left.
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For those who forgot what was promised (and ridiculed at the time)
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If Brexit is over we now have - UK considers joining new European nations club.
This is not the Brexit that we voted for. 🤣🤣🤣The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I welcome it as a positive step. Pragmatism is needed now.pblakeney said:If Brexit is over we now have - UK considers joining new European nations club.
This is not the Brexit that we voted for. 🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah. I'm awaiting ghasts to be well and truly flabbered by Brexiteers.skyblueamateur said:
I welcome it as a positive step. Pragmatism is needed now.pblakeney said:If Brexit is over we now have - UK considers joining new European nations club.
This is not the Brexit that we voted for. 🤣🤣🤣The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
skyblueamateur said:
I welcome it as a positive step. Pragmatism is needed now.pblakeney said:If Brexit is over we now have - UK considers joining new European nations club.
This is not the Brexit that we voted for. 🤣🤣🤣
Indeed. Let's hope that if they get a dose of the pragmatics, they might realise that fostering a good relationship with a relatively wealthy neighbour might help with the growth they so desperately want, and rather better than lowering taxes through borrowing...1 -
If I were the PM, and had an 80 seat majority, and no immediate prospect of a US Trade Deal, I'd be signing up to an (admittedly rule-taking) rolling 10 year SPS/Veterinary agreement, in return for any other non food checks being done 'at the land border'
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Watched a programme on the Channel Tunnel last night.
That had the anti Europe movement very excitable. And some funny descriptions of them too.0 -
Apparently cutting ourselves off from easy trading with both the EU and the US is a win.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/21/why-ruling-us-trade-deal-strengthens-liz-trusss-hand-brexit/A US trade deal, or even the possibility of it, strengthens EU arguments for checks tough enough to ensure none of the flood of “substandard” US produce ends up leaking across the Irish border into Ireland.
Ruling out the trade deal allows the UK to press for maximum leniency in the Protocol border checks in negotiations with Brussels, which now appear increasingly likely after recent talk from London and Dublin of a “landing zone” for a deal.
The slaughter of this Brexit sacred cow may have been a surprise, but it is also good strategic sense.0 -
If we're not doing a deal with the US, what's the problem with agreeing to align with EU food standards for a decent period?0
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kingstongraham said:
If we're not doing a deal with the US, what's the problem with agreeing to align with EU food standards for a decent period?
Wash that pragmatic thought right out of your head.0 -
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I've said it before, we currently pay all the costs of having the freedom to change food standards, with no intention of changing food standardskingstongraham said:If we're not doing a deal with the US, what's the problem with agreeing to align with EU food standards for a decent period?
I'd say the need to protect the GFA is a pretty good counter to any offensive interest from the US in demanding alignment with US food standards as part of any future trade deal
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm confused. I thought Brexit was 'done'...
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"Allowing companies fully to expense all of their investment in plant, machinery, structures and building would boost long-term GDP by 2.5 per cent and wages by 2.1 per cent, in return for a mere £10 billion a year in reduced revenues, according to the Centre for Policy Studies and the US-based Tax Foundation. Cutting stamp duty would be great: until 1997, that levy ranged from zero to 1 per cent; now it goes as high as 17 per cent. But we also need to build a lot more homes, and normalise monetary policy."
From that article. Not bad ideas, but still not accepting that there are difficult choices to be made.
No clue why Brexit got dragged in.
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It's pretty much what you'd expect - I don't know about dubious, but it is what it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Foundationrick_chasey said:"US based Tax Foundation" sounds incredibly dubious.
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They're no "Taxpayers' Alliance", that's for sure.0
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Not true for all think tanks, but any organisation that focuses just on tax and not its role in the wider context of the economy I tend to find is automatically right and partisan - I don't think I've ever seen a tax orientated think tank that has ever said a tax levied is a good thing.kingstongraham said:
It's pretty much what you'd expect - I don't know about dubious, but it is what it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Foundationrick_chasey said:"US based Tax Foundation" sounds incredibly dubious.
These things are always part of a more complex system and distilling it misses the context in which the exist and the impact they leave.0
