BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

surrey_commuter

ddraver said:

The one most offered on this thread was that we could increase our environmental protection standards.

Yup...

I was looking at actual benefits but itwould be easier to widen it out to potential benefits as that would allow me to slash farming subsidies

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

ddraver said:

The one most offered on this thread was that we could increase our environmental protection standards.

Yup...

I was looking at actual benefits but itwould be easier to widen it out to potential benefits as that would allow me to slash farming subsidies

Our untreated sewerage can wash up on French beaches without as worrying about the EU telling us off.

morstar

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

ddraver said:

The one most offered on this thread was that we could increase our environmental protection standards.

Yup...

I was looking at actual benefits but itwould be easier to widen it out to potential benefits as that would allow me to slash farming subsidies

Our untreated sewerage can wash up on French beaches without as worrying about the EU telling us off.

It shows a lack of vision to not be pressurising it and launching it to about halfway across the channel.
That way, we could avoid more of it.

rick_chasey

Brexiters are just the hotdog guy in this scene at the moment.

(Great sketch)

https://youtu.be/WLfAf8oHrMo

pangolin

surrey_commuter said:

ddraver said:

The one most offered on this thread was that we could increase our environmental protection standards.

Yup...

I was looking at actual benefits but itwould be easier to widen it out to potential benefits as that would allow me to slash farming subsidies

Some tongue in cheek comments from Jan in this thread:

tailwindhome said:

Ok - let's stick it in the pro column

Ongoing CakeStop list of Brexit Upsides

1 - Replacing EU workers with under 16s in hospitality jobs (with no legal minimum wage)

TheBigBean said:

Oh, can you add to the list being able to keep summer time, or is that on your bad list as it creates problems in Ireland.

TheBigBean said:

3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling

5.

TheBigBean said:

5. Easier for the kids to work in Aus

TheBigBean said:

6. The government could remove VAT on utilities. A timely moment to do so.

TheBigBean said:

But I am looking for specific positive outcomes. It not being quite as bad as it might have been is not being positive.


I will paraphrase one of your other comments;


Excuse the dodgy cutting and pasting


1) possibility for cheaper food

2) possibility to optimise the quantity and quality of immigrants

3) reduce red tape (I am not personally convinced

4) the ability to negotiate trade deals specific to the needs of the U.K.

5) thousands more jobs in the civil service

6) save a couple of billion per year on contributions


I suspect 5 and 6 are mutually exclusive but am trying to be positive


Come on Wallace, Gromit and Steve you have managed only one positive outcome of Brexit when you argue that we are being negative for not seeing the "many options for positive outcomes"

Point 5 doesn't make sense and sounds more like a criticism.


A few for you to consider:

- an end to an unlimited supply of unskilled workers, so the country will be forced to be more productive

- no longer subject to arbitrary "anti-dumping" tariffs that result in the UK paying more for something in a doomed attempt to protect Germany industry (e.g. solar panels)

- no longer subject to lowest common denominator regulation, so companies like Low Cost Holidays wouldn't be able to circumvent UK law by choosing the least regulated place to set up

- above point applies to professional qualifications too

- Amazon would no longer be able to pretend everything it sells to the UK is in some way actually being sold out Luxembourg

- regulation only where required rather than because it is possible to regulate (bananas, measurements whatever)

- it might be easier to live with non-EU spouses

- the government will have freedom over VAT and will therfore be able to either zero rate stuff or stop blaming the EU for it

- the government will not be subject to the same state aid provisions and could therefore subsidise an industry that it believes would be in the interests of the population

- an end to the ideas like bonus caps for bankers because bankers are all inherently evil. Either for all or for no one.

- the government would be able to choose whether to introduce legislation in the interests of the health of its citizens e.g. min price for alcohol. Also this wouldn't be circumvented by a booze cruise.


I could probably name a load of negatives too, but this forum specialises in those.

From Feb
2018. I wrote another list of negatives as well, for balance and all. Anyway, five years on, we can see whether any have happenend.

Edit - quotes are all messed up, so quote the wrong person.

The quoting as mentioned is bit dodgy, so in that last quote I'm not sure who said what, but there are some interesting points.

skyblueamateur

I think all would agree that Brexit has been an unmitigated success and the country is a far better and wealthier place for it. Plus we've stopped all the illegals coming over on boats.....

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

25% tarrif on steel from GB to NI

Cracking deal Frosty negotiated

Time for some context here. The reasons for this are down to changes made by the EU inn connection with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and this has had a consequential impact on NI steel imports:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62672105

Quote:
The EU has changed some of its rules in regard to steel imports for reasons related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

That has had a knock-on effect on steel sales from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Trade expert Sam Lowe set out the complicated background to the issue earlier this month.

Essentially, steel from Great Britain had been able to enter Northern Ireland without a tariff because it was covered by a tariff rate quota (TRQ) for UK exports to the EU.

A TRQ allows a certain amount of a product to enter a customs territory without a tariff being paid, but once a set limit is reached tariffs apply.

Until June there was a specific TRQ for UK steel exports to the EU.

However, when sanctions were applied to Russia EU businesses could no longer buy steel from there.

So at that time the EU scrapped country-specific TRQs for the UK and others in favour of one TRQ for Ukraine and another TRQ covering all "other countries".

The Northern Ireland Protocol means NI continues to follow EU customs rules
Mr Lowe said this was intended to give EU steel importers more flexibility in the absence of Russian supplies.

However it also means that the tariff free limit for Great Britain supplies to Northern Ireland has been quickly reached, as Mr Lowe explained.

"Whereas before the UK had access to its own country-specific quota, which it could rely on to accommodate steel moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, now these movements would be covered by the 'other countries' quota which could fill up much more quickly, given the entire world has access to it," he said.

The EU was not forced to make this change, was it?

Frosty agreed a deal which meant NI follows EU rules, however they change in the future.


I've been explaining this to you for 2 years.

tailwindhome

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

surrey_commuter

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

If you find yourself questioning if Brexit is done then give your head a shake and ask yourself is the UK an EU member.

And if you still want to get pedantic, imagine if Chris Tarrant is offering you a million quid if you answer the question correctly

rjsterry

You might say it's as done as it is ever likely to be. Not the purists idiotic idea of absolute sovereignty but that was never really on offer.

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

If you find yourself questioning if Brexit is done then give your head a shake and ask yourself is the UK an EU member.

And if you still want to get pedantic, imagine if Chris Tarrant is offering you a million quid if you answer the question correctly

How can it be "done" if part of the UK is still in the EU?

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

25% tarrif on steel from GB to NI

Cracking deal Frosty negotiated

Time for some context here. The reasons for this are down to changes made by the EU inn connection with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and this has had a consequential impact on NI steel imports:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62672105

Quote:
The EU has changed some of its rules in regard to steel imports for reasons related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

That has had a knock-on effect on steel sales from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Trade expert Sam Lowe set out the complicated background to the issue earlier this month.

Essentially, steel from Great Britain had been able to enter Northern Ireland without a tariff because it was covered by a tariff rate quota (TRQ) for UK exports to the EU.

A TRQ allows a certain amount of a product to enter a customs territory without a tariff being paid, but once a set limit is reached tariffs apply.

Until June there was a specific TRQ for UK steel exports to the EU.

However, when sanctions were applied to Russia EU businesses could no longer buy steel from there.

So at that time the EU scrapped country-specific TRQs for the UK and others in favour of one TRQ for Ukraine and another TRQ covering all "other countries".

The Northern Ireland Protocol means NI continues to follow EU customs rules
Mr Lowe said this was intended to give EU steel importers more flexibility in the absence of Russian supplies.

However it also means that the tariff free limit for Great Britain supplies to Northern Ireland has been quickly reached, as Mr Lowe explained.

"Whereas before the UK had access to its own country-specific quota, which it could rely on to accommodate steel moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, now these movements would be covered by the 'other countries' quota which could fill up much more quickly, given the entire world has access to it," he said.

The EU was not forced to make this change, was it?

Frosty agreed a deal which meant NI follows EU rules, however they change in the future.


I've been explaining this to you for 2 years.

Doesn't change the fact that the EU made a change that caused this. And they did not have to do so.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

If you find yourself questioning if Brexit is done then give your head a shake and ask yourself is the UK an EU member.

And if you still want to get pedantic, imagine if Chris Tarrant is offering you a million quid if you answer the question correctly

True, 'tis done.

I admire the efforts of a hardcore few to keep this thread alive - luckily someone posted before it dropped of the front page of the forum

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

25% tarrif on steel from GB to NI

Cracking deal Frosty negotiated

Time for some context here. The reasons for this are down to changes made by the EU inn connection with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and this has had a consequential impact on NI steel imports:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62672105

Quote:
The EU has changed some of its rules in regard to steel imports for reasons related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

That has had a knock-on effect on steel sales from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Trade expert Sam Lowe set out the complicated background to the issue earlier this month.

Essentially, steel from Great Britain had been able to enter Northern Ireland without a tariff because it was covered by a tariff rate quota (TRQ) for UK exports to the EU.

A TRQ allows a certain amount of a product to enter a customs territory without a tariff being paid, but once a set limit is reached tariffs apply.

Until June there was a specific TRQ for UK steel exports to the EU.

However, when sanctions were applied to Russia EU businesses could no longer buy steel from there.

So at that time the EU scrapped country-specific TRQs for the UK and others in favour of one TRQ for Ukraine and another TRQ covering all "other countries".

The Northern Ireland Protocol means NI continues to follow EU customs rules
Mr Lowe said this was intended to give EU steel importers more flexibility in the absence of Russian supplies.

However it also means that the tariff free limit for Great Britain supplies to Northern Ireland has been quickly reached, as Mr Lowe explained.

"Whereas before the UK had access to its own country-specific quota, which it could rely on to accommodate steel moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, now these movements would be covered by the 'other countries' quota which could fill up much more quickly, given the entire world has access to it," he said.

The EU was not forced to make this change, was it?

Frosty agreed a deal which meant NI follows EU rules, however they change in the future.


I've been explaining this to you for 2 years.

Doesn't change the fact that the EU made a change that caused this. And they did not have to do so.

Yup.

Frosty did a free trade deal so bad, the UK no longer has free trade with itself.

tailwindhome

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

'Brexit means the EU setting tarriffs on intraUK trade.'

Catchy slogan

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

I read an article on this earlier. The situation could easily be avoided if the UK and EU were cooperating. Either way, neither side actually expects the tariffs to be paid.

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

If you find yourself questioning if Brexit is done then give your head a shake and ask yourself is the UK an EU member.

And if you still want to get pedantic, imagine if Chris Tarrant is offering you a million quid if you answer the question correctly

How can it be "done" if part of the UK is still in the EU?

NI is not in the EU in the same way that Norway is not in the EU.

EU membership is very binary, Google it and you will see I am correct.

ddraver

What is it with you and massively oversimplifying things today???

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

At a basic level you might ask yourself to reconcile 'Brexit is done' with 'changes to EU rules mean NI pays 25% tarriffs on steel from GB'

Brexit is done!!! Our relationship with the EU will continue to evolve

"Our" as in GB?

If you find yourself questioning if Brexit is done then give your head a shake and ask yourself is the UK an EU member.

And if you still want to get pedantic, imagine if Chris Tarrant is offering you a million quid if you answer the question correctly

How can it be "done" if part of the UK is still in the EU?

NI is not in the EU in the same way that Norway is not in the EU.

EU membership is very binary, Google it and you will see I am correct.

Nice to see that focussing on the nuances to avoid the bigger picture is still de rigueur. That N.I. is constrained by EU rules they may as well be in the EU.

Imagine being told what to do by both the EU and BJ? The horror!

masjer

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but new passports are black, not blue.
I was gutted when I received mine today. It has made me feel Brexit might not be all it was cracked up to be!

tailwindhome

'Brexit is done'

'Part of the UK still follows EU law'

'Norway follows EU law, are they in the EU?'

'Well no.'

'There you go then'

'Can the whole of the UK follow EU law, like Norway?

'No'

'Why?'

'Well, that wouldn't be Brexit'

surrey_commuter

ddraver said:

What is it with you and massively oversimplifying things today???

The honest answer to that question is that I am probably further across the autism spectrum than most as I see everything as very black and white.

Brexit was about leaving the EU (read the ballot paper). To me it is an inescapable fact that we have left the EU so Brexit is done.

You lot are confusing membership with our future relationship.

surrey_commuter

tailwindhome said:

'Brexit is done'

'Part of the UK still follows EU law'

'Norway follows EU law, are they in the EU?'

'Well no.'

'There you go then'

'Can the whole of the UK follow EU law, like Norway?

'No'

'Why?'

'Well, that wouldn't be Brexit'

You are confusing fact with the posturing of a few hundred headbangers whose adult lives have been dominated by their hatred of the EU.

surrey_commuter

masjer said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but new passports are black, not blue.
I was gutted when I received mine today. It has made me feel Brexit might not be all it was cracked up to be!

Put it on something that is black

Pross

masjer said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but new passports are black, not blue.
I was gutted when I received mine today. It has made me feel Brexit might not be all it was cracked up to be!

It was a shock to me to realise the old ones weren’t black. I had my first one in a draw for years and was convinced it was black.

TheBigBean

I'm finding the new passport quite helpful as it helps distinguish them in a family pile. Obviously this benefit will wear out soon.

masjer

They seem to be black with the merest hint of blue. `Iconic blue` indeed.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/education-51737116

surrey_commuter

masjer said:

They seem to be black with the merest hint of blue. `Iconic blue` indeed.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/education-51737116

Seriously, put it on something black