BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
TheBigBean said:
France should close the border and save loads of money on taxes. A flawless idea.briantrumpet said:.As someone who I know who pays French taxes said, why should they more tax to sort out the problems the UK created for itself? If the UK government didn't know what the French can be like normally, or even more so when they want to make a point, then they really are delusional. It's the sort of situation that the Gallic shrug was invented for.
The whole point about Dover and the Tunnel is that they operated as a high speed gateway to mainland Europe, and while we were in the EU, it was high speed, as anyone who observed either operation could easily see. The UK chose to make both into bottlenecks.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The French government is trying to make thing difficult to make a point. As long as Macron is in power, we will likely have more of this pettiness.tailwindhome said:The French taxpayer isn't making Brexit Work.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not convinced this would be true in that alternative universe - we'll see what additional checks are introduced for Ireland. My guess is none.Dorset_Boy said:As of next year, with the introduction of the Schengen visa, this would probably have happened whether we were still members of the EU or not. It has happened a year early due to Brexit and the French deliberately failing to provide sufficient staffing levels for the volume of traffic they knew was coming.
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See up thread two examples of other borders with longer queues.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.0 -
They've delivered on Tory promises to stop the channel crossings.Stevo_666 said:
The French government is trying to make thing difficult to make a point. As long as Macron is in power, we will likely have more of this pettiness.tailwindhome said:The French taxpayer isn't making Brexit Work.
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At some point 2 things need to sink in
Firstly there are implications to the decisions the UK have made. It's going to take longer to pass through border controls because there are more checks and procedures now we're outside the EU.
Secondly the EU aren't going to make exceptions for the UK, even if it costs the EU, and even if the UK unilaterally makes exceptions for the EU
Sooner these truths are accepted the sooner we can either move to negotiate these things away or learn to live with them.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!4 -
If all the passport booths are manned (which now seems to be the case) how does sending more staff help?
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We are so through the looking glass now that were I the politician making that point my next line would be, "Does knowing either of those things change the way you'd have voted?"
"No?"
"Let's continue then..."
They're literally lying because they've forgotten how to tell the truth now...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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My summary.
"We want to control our border."
"We don't want to stop at the border."
Lunacy. Clearly what is meant is others are to be stopped at borders but not us.
How border control are supposed to know who "we" are is never explained.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Port of Dover said that not all the French passport booths were staffed on Friday and Saturday, hence making the situation worse than it needed to be.Jezyboy said:If all the passport booths are manned (which now seems to be the case) how does sending more staff help?
I don't know if additional booths have been installed to cope with the extra time it takes each vehicle to pass through, so if say 6 were needed before, 10 may be needed now. If only 4 were being staffed then that caused the delays.
It's pretty sad that making a point is still going on (from both sides) and they can't both grow up a little. Not all the blame here should be on the UK. But the French are building a track record of pissing off travellers (see the sub 30 hour notice of the border closure at Christmas).0 -
It took no longer than normal to pass through border controls at LHR and Geneva airport (a Schengen border) on 3rd and 10th July when I travelled, or indeed at Christmas flying from BRS to GVA, even though passports had to be stamped. If sufficient border control staff are on duty to cope with the demand / passenger flow, if may take an individual an extra 30 seconds to pass through, but the queues won't build up.tailwindhome said:At some point 2 things need to sink in
Firstly there are implications to the decisions the UK have made. It's going to take longer to pass through border controls because there are more checks and procedures now we're outside the EU.
Secondly the EU aren't going to make exceptions for the UK, even if it costs the EU, and even if the UK unilaterally makes exceptions for the EU
Sooner these truths are accepted the sooner we can either move to negotiate these things away or learn to live with them.0 -
You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Why wouldn’t the French want to “control” their border too?
Duuuh.
What the f@ck do you think was going to happen?
So stupid and so predictable all of it.0 -
No I didn't vote for Brexit. I have been very clear on that plenty of times. You need to calm down sometimes.rick_chasey said:You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Why wouldn’t the French want to “control” their border too?
Duuuh.
What the f@ck do you think was going to happen?
So stupid and so predictable all of it.
Where have I suggested I have a problem with scanning and stamping passports? Passports have been scanned at the border for a number of years, both at airports and ports. It is sensible.
I do have an issue with deliberately understaffing the border to cause maximum inconvenience and hassle, just to make a petty point.0 -
There were circa 10,000 cars each day at Dover over the weekend, so approximately 30,000 passports to be checked, with 15,000 extra minutes (250 hours) of checking at 30s extra per passport. That could add up to a few queues.Dorset_Boy said:
It took no longer than normal to pass through border controls at LHR and Geneva airport (a Schengen border) on 3rd and 10th July when I travelled, or indeed at Christmas flying from BRS to GVA, even though passports had to be stamped. If sufficient border control staff are on duty to cope with the demand / passenger flow, if may take an individual an extra 30 seconds to pass through, but the queues won't build up.tailwindhome said:At some point 2 things need to sink in
Firstly there are implications to the decisions the UK have made. It's going to take longer to pass through border controls because there are more checks and procedures now we're outside the EU.
Secondly the EU aren't going to make exceptions for the UK, even if it costs the EU, and even if the UK unilaterally makes exceptions for the EU
Sooner these truths are accepted the sooner we can either move to negotiate these things away or learn to live with them.
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What a load of bollocks!ddraver said:You do have the Brexiter mindset that we occupy any space at all in the minds of people still in the EU though...
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What petty point is the UK making with the woeful understaffing in our airports this spring/summer? Or is that different?Dorset_Boy said:
No I didn't vote for Brexit. I have been very clear on that plenty of times. You need to calm down sometimes.rick_chasey said:You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Why wouldn’t the French want to “control” their border too?
Duuuh.
What the f@ck do you think was going to happen?
So stupid and so predictable all of it.
Where have I suggested I have a problem with scanning and stamping passports? Passports have been scanned at the border for a number of years, both at airports and ports. It is sensible.
I do have an issue with deliberately understaffing the border to cause maximum inconvenience and hassle, just to make a petty point.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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OK.Dorset_Boy said:
It took no longer than normal to pass through border controls at LHR and Geneva airport (a Schengen border) on 3rd and 10th July when I travelled, or indeed at Christmas flying from BRS to GVA, even though passports had to be stamped. If sufficient border control staff are on duty to cope with the demand / passenger flow, if may take an individual an extra 30 seconds to pass through, but the queues won't build up.tailwindhome said:At some point 2 things need to sink in
Firstly there are implications to the decisions the UK have made. It's going to take longer to pass through border controls because there are more checks and procedures now we're outside the EU.
Secondly the EU aren't going to make exceptions for the UK, even if it costs the EU, and even if the UK unilaterally makes exceptions for the EU
Sooner these truths are accepted the sooner we can either move to negotiate these things away or learn to live with them.
Saying more resources are required to cope with extra checks doesn't contradict anything I've written“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The first day of the holiday season turned into a traffic nightmare for travellers, with many stuck in traffic jams on the A2, A20 and M20 for up to 12 hours while they waited to cross the Channel and start their summer breaks in France and beyond.The Port of Dover authority said: “The French border control booths have been seriously understaffed overnight with only three booths available for tourists out of a potential seven.
“At one stage, only one French officer was available to check passengers on hundreds of coaches, resulting in each coach taking 40 minutes to process.
“The Port of Dover, which has no authority over French border operations, raised concerns over French manning levels with the UK government earlier this week and the government, in turn, raised the issue with its French counterparts.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/port-of-dover-seven-hour-delays-border-checks-france
July 2016
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A recent internal review of the Border Force suggested it was barely coping with the demands on it and needed fundamental overhaul. A request to install additional checkpoint booths at Dover was refused. I'm sure the French are not going out of their way to be helpful. Plus ça change. It would be a stronger argument if we were absolutely in shape on our side of things.Dorset_Boy said:
It took no longer than normal to pass through border controls at LHR and Geneva airport (a Schengen border) on 3rd and 10th July when I travelled, or indeed at Christmas flying from BRS to GVA, even though passports had to be stamped. If sufficient border control staff are on duty to cope with the demand / passenger flow, if may take an individual an extra 30 seconds to pass through, but the queues won't build up.tailwindhome said:At some point 2 things need to sink in
Firstly there are implications to the decisions the UK have made. It's going to take longer to pass through border controls because there are more checks and procedures now we're outside the EU.
Secondly the EU aren't going to make exceptions for the UK, even if it costs the EU, and even if the UK unilaterally makes exceptions for the EU
Sooner these truths are accepted the sooner we can either move to negotiate these things away or learn to live with them.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Anybody who thinks this is the French being awkward have no imagination.
It would be very easy to take an additional 30 seconds per passport0 -
'tis indeed.Dorset_Boy said:
What a load of bollocks!ddraver said:You do have the Brexiter mindset that we occupy any space at all in the minds of people still in the EU though...
Hardest breakup in the world is when you end it and they move on much quicker than you innit...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Border controls are dealt with differently at airports, flying into France hasn't brought any reported issues either. That doesn't help those travelling by ferry.Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.0 -
*erm... in Spanish*
https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1620510/british-tourists-EU-travellers-airport-queues-Spain
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That's because of the Brexit vote though.kingstongraham said:The first day of the holiday season turned into a traffic nightmare for travellers, with many stuck in traffic jams on the A2, A20 and M20 for up to 12 hours while they waited to cross the Channel and start their summer breaks in France and beyond.The Port of Dover authority said: “The French border control booths have been seriously understaffed overnight with only three booths available for tourists out of a potential seven.
“At one stage, only one French officer was available to check passengers on hundreds of coaches, resulting in each coach taking 40 minutes to process.
“The Port of Dover, which has no authority over French border operations, raised concerns over French manning levels with the UK government earlier this week and the government, in turn, raised the issue with its French counterparts.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/port-of-dover-seven-hour-delays-border-checks-france
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And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But but but Bwexit ! Kinda sums up what this thread is about these days...Dorset_Boy said:
What a load of bollocks!ddraver said:You do have the Brexiter mindset that we occupy any space at all in the minds of people still in the EU though...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Got to love the attitude that it's everyone else's fault but our own.0
