BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar?
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/22/self-hating-remainers-blind-eus-flaws/

Ah, we're back to the EU-flag-hugging trope.

Hating Brexit has never meant that anyone views the EU as perfect. Of course the EU isn't without problems, as is every democratic nation/group of nations. Democracy is messy, flawed, full of contradictions.

ddraver

Stevo_666 said:

webboo said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

And to sum up the argument a lot of p

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻

This is what hard borders look like

Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.


Duuuuh

That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.

Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.

There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...

They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.

I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.

I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.

That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.

Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.

Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?

I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.

Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?

The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.

Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.

If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.

Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.

That's a bit of a silly leftiebollox thing to say, but I'm not a flagger.

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

webboo said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

And to sum up the argument a lot of p

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻

This is what hard borders look like

Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.


Duuuuh

That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.

Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.

There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...

They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.

I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.

I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.

That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.

Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.

Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?

I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.

Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?

The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.

Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.

If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.

Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.

And Macron. Don't forget Macron.

At least you're starting to realise who is causing this. Beats shagging the Euro flag

🤔

ddraver

Stevo_666 said:

Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar

Stevo_666 said:

self-hating-remainers

🤔🤔

wallace_and_gromit

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

HilaryAmin said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

And to sum up the argument a lot of p

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻

This is what hard borders look like

Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.


Duuuuh

That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.

Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.

There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...

They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.

I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.

I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.

That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.

Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.

Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?

I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.

Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?

The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.

Can you suggest why the French should fund the additional bureaucracy caused by Brexit?

It's in their interests to man the border properly, given that most of the people travelling that way are going to spend money in France. Duh.

There was an article in the Guardian (or the Telegraph - genuinely can’t remember which) today from someone who lives in France highlighting that French bureaucracy is fairly awful for French people and so we shouldn’t take it personally as it was probably just French bureaucracy being French and bureaucratic. (Or words to that effect.)

But whilst that makes a lot of sense you can’t dodge the fact that the bureaucracy required on each passport is more than pre-Brexit, and hence the queues.

tailwindhome

tailwindhome said:

The UK doesn't seem ready to have that conversation about what to do next, and what relationship to have with Europe

Or, at least, our politicians don't think we are.

We're not even close

briantrumpet

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tailwindhome said:

tailwindhome said:

The UK doesn't seem ready to have that conversation about what to do next, and what relationship to have with Europe

Or, at least, our politicians don't think we are.

We're not even close

No entente, and not cordiale at the moment, though I think that could change with a change of government, even if it doesn't get us back where we were before.

It's quite extraordinary how we've got here.

briantrumpet

Spain too now... it'll have to be Bognor after all.

ddraver

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

rick_chasey

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Who are they blaming, as they've got neither Brexit nor Corbyn...?

ddraver

Covid lockdowns innit?

(So tired... 😴😴😴😴)

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Who are they blaming, as they've got neither Brexit nor Corbyn...?

Far right blame immigrants and covid.

Far left blame fat cats.

Reality is obsession over austerity eventually bites and has big costs, including political.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

...
It is remarkable how Netherlands the western world is going downhill.
...

FTFY.
It's amazing to watch how quickly a slipstreamed, just in time, efficiency maxed system can fall apart just by laying people off and not being able to replace them on sh!t wages and worse conditions.

morstar

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

...
It is remarkable how Netherlands the western world is going downhill.
...

FTFY.
It's amazing to watch how quickly a slipstreamed, just in time, efficiency maxed system can fall apart just by laying people off and not being able to replace them on sh!t wages and worse conditions.

Almost like a race to the bottom has a bottom.

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

Stevo_666 said:

Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar

Stevo_666 said:

self-hating-remainers

🤔🤔

Well it brought you out from under your bridge. Where's my Sea Lion pic?

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

Dorset_Boy

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

Only if they're cords!
Any spare can go towards his tweed jacket.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

Ha possibly, though I won't be seen dead on lookatmyfuckingredtrousers.

Genuinely, if you look at the Dutch train stats it bares it all out. More delays, more expensive tickets etc.

If there's evidence to show that the train strikes causes a dent in GDP, it stands to reason the low level incompetence, delays, cancellations, etc do the same.

Presumably if firms that run the trains can't make them run well for passengers, they can't make them run well for freight etc too.

So the reverse should also be true. Well placed investment ought to be able to do the reverse.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

It does happen to everyone, you're right. I was recently lamenting the difficulty of air travel and how bad it had become, but really it is still a vast improvement on 20 years ago.

ddraver

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

ddraver said:

Britain is doing quite well enough making airports a hell hole at the moment tbf...

Never seen it like this.

Same everywhere though. On weekends a 4hr queue to *get into schiphol* is standard at the moment.

Bumped into Dutch neighbours yesterday, and he was shaking his head and tutting about Schiphol like a real Cakestopper. I guess FoM hasn't solved the problems there...

It is remarkable how Netherlands is going downhill.

I go really regularly and since 2016 you can see it just getting a little worse every time I go.

The train system used to be glorious. Now it’s much more expensive and unreliable. Not uncommon for the entire system to fall over for half a day.

Brexit has a lot to answer for.

Or Rick has reached an age when he moans about how much better things used to be when he was a lad.

Maybe we could have a whip around and buy him some red trousers

Ha possibly, though I won't be seen dead on lookatmyfuckingredtrousers.

Genuinely, if you look at the Dutch train stats it bares it all out. More delays, more expensive tickets etc.

If there's evidence to show that the train strikes causes a dent in GDP, it stands to reason the low level incompetence, delays, cancellations, etc do the same.

Presumably if firms that run the trains can't make them run well for passengers, they can't make them run well for freight etc too.

So the reverse should also be true. Well placed investment ought to be able to do the reverse.

I was under the impression you very much embraced the Dutch coloured chinos and shoes ethos...?

ddraver

Stevo_666 said:

ddraver said:

Stevo_666 said:

Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar

Stevo_666 said:

self-hating-remainers

🤔🤔

Well it brought you out from under your bridge. Where's my Sea Lion pic?

In the rent free apartment I have in your head...

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

Stevo_666 said:

ddraver said:

Stevo_666 said:

Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar

Stevo_666 said:

self-hating-remainers

🤔🤔

Well it brought you out from under your bridge. Where's my Sea Lion pic?

In the rent free apartment I have in your head...

I never do stuff rent free. And it's unlikely you could afford it

Stevo_666

Just as well the paralysis of the rail network today was nothing to do with Brexit as it has affected way more people than the queues at Dover (regardless of how much was Brexit and how much was the French being awkward). I guess striking lefties get a free pass on here.

rjsterry

We can all WFH now. No hours lost in our office.

Jezyboy

Stevo_666 said:

Just as well the paralysis of the rail network today was nothing to do with Brexit as it has affected way more people than the queues at Dover (regardless of how much was Brexit and how much was the French being awkward). I guess striking lefties get a free pass on here.

Yep 5* for the Conservatives managing to fuck up industrial relations and show their ability to screw up across a wide range of disciplines beyond just brexit, they really are versatile.

briantrumpet

I think we can add the 'rent free' jibe to the StevoBingo (®) game. Though we're getting a bit low on ketchup.