BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Immigration to other countries is typically a matter for the host although Russia didn't get the message.feelgoodlost said:Got to love the attitude that it's everyone else's fault but our own.
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This thread is about people desperately trying to blame anything they can on Brexit, even though it won't make any difference even if it were the case.feelgoodlost said:Got to love the attitude that it's everyone else's fault but our own.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11049249/British-tourists-able-prove-spend-85-day-enter-Spain.html
'Bloody awkward French......er I mean Spanish'
This was my favourite quote from the article:
They continued: 'This rule would stop me wanting to go to Spain as I take my banking as personal and I won't be showing my accounts to any foreigners,'
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Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.0 -
From what I understand from airline industry related work, a lot of the "ground crew" at airports simply got different jobs during the pandemic. So there's a shortfall of staff now and this can't be overcome overnight as there are non-trivial security steps in the recruitment process, even if politicians might want to will the shortages away via boosterism, cakeism, positive thinking etc.pangolin said:
What petty point is the UK making with the woeful understaffing in our airports this spring/summer? Or is that different?Dorset_Boy said:
No I didn't vote for Brexit. I have been very clear on that plenty of times. You need to calm down sometimes.rick_chasey said:You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Why wouldn’t the French want to “control” their border too?
Duuuh.
What the f@ck do you think was going to happen?
So stupid and so predictable all of it.
Where have I suggested I have a problem with scanning and stamping passports? Passports have been scanned at the border for a number of years, both at airports and ports. It is sensible.
I do have an issue with deliberately understaffing the border to cause maximum inconvenience and hassle, just to make a petty point.
And the issue of staff shortages is affecting the industry globally not just in the UK. e.g. Boeing can't get staff in the numbers they'd like at their factories because significant numbers of their technicians have moved on to other things. (Electric cars, maybe?)0 -
It's a "marriage made in heaven" on the other side of the Channel tbh. Brexit gives the French the chance to remind the UK of the extra power it now has, courtesy of shots being self-fired at our own feet. And as the UK and France have been at war for most of recorded history (the recent century of peace is a historical aberration, really) it would be naive in the extreme to expect there to be no metaphorical testicle kicking to be going on.Stevo_666 said:
But but but Bwexit ! Kinda sums up what this thread is about these days...Dorset_Boy said:
What a load of bollocks!ddraver said:You do have the Brexiter mindset that we occupy any space at all in the minds of people still in the EU though...
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"Downing Street has said travel chaos at the Dover port over the past few days has not been “necessitated by leaving the European Union”."
Which is a good choice of words - the increase in the time taken per passport happened because of Brexit, but if changes had been made to cater for the new, less efficient process in the sunlit uplands, there wouldn't have been extra delays.0 -
Yes, lots of nuance on this side. But people simply ascribe "petty point making" when French staff are the issue.wallace_and_gromit said:
From what I understand from airline industry related work, a lot of the "ground crew" at airports simply got different jobs during the pandemic. So there's a shortfall of staff now and this can't be overcome overnight as there are non-trivial security steps in the recruitment process, even if politicians might want to will the shortages away via boosterism, cakeism, positive thinking etc.pangolin said:
What petty point is the UK making with the woeful understaffing in our airports this spring/summer? Or is that different?Dorset_Boy said:
No I didn't vote for Brexit. I have been very clear on that plenty of times. You need to calm down sometimes.rick_chasey said:You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Why wouldn’t the French want to “control” their border too?
Duuuh.
What the f@ck do you think was going to happen?
So stupid and so predictable all of it.
Where have I suggested I have a problem with scanning and stamping passports? Passports have been scanned at the border for a number of years, both at airports and ports. It is sensible.
I do have an issue with deliberately understaffing the border to cause maximum inconvenience and hassle, just to make a petty point.
And the issue of staff shortages is affecting the industry globally not just in the UK. e.g. Boeing can't get staff in the numbers they'd like at their factories because significant numbers of their technicians have moved on to other things. (Electric cars, maybe?)- Genesis Croix de Fer
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The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I believe its more about the current French president and his views on the subject. We can always retaliate if we want to, but that might be seen as stooping to his level.wallace_and_gromit said:
It's a "marriage made in heaven" on the other side of the Channel tbh. Brexit gives the French the chance to remind the UK of the extra power it now has, courtesy of shots being self-fired at our own feet. And as the UK and France have been at war for most of recorded history (the recent century of peace is a historical aberration, really) it would be naive in the extreme to expect there to be no metaphorical testicle kicking to be going on.Stevo_666 said:
But but but Bwexit ! Kinda sums up what this thread is about these days...Dorset_Boy said:
What a load of bollocks!ddraver said:You do have the Brexiter mindset that we occupy any space at all in the minds of people still in the EU though...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can you suggest why the French should fund the additional bureaucracy caused by Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
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Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
It's not like the British have given the French any reason to be, well, French...
In other words, this is all utterly predicable... like, it was predicted. We were an ally, and now we're a competitor, by choice. Once the UK had chosen to be awkward, then it was likely that we would be treated as awkward.
As stated upthread, Dover (and to a lesser extent, the Tunnel) is a unique gateway in terms of trade and travel. The amount of people and goods passing through it survived because of the flexibility at peak times to reduce checks to a very light touch. We chose to remove that flexibility.0 -
Nah. It's always happened in July. Just a bit worse this time.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.0 -
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.rjsterry said:
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.-1 -
webboo said:
Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.rjsterry said:
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.
And Macron. Don't forget Macron.0 -
Aaaalright that's a bit weird.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Which D*ck flagged me for that. Get a life.3
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Your comment made me laugh. Wear your “flag” as a badge of honour.webboo said:Which D*ck flagged me for that. Get a life.
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That flagger will be the shortfall S666 likebot. Innit.0
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When 'longrise' appears on this forum, y'all know wots gahn on.0
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That's a bit of a silly leftiebollox thing to say, but I'm not a flagger.webboo said:
Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.rjsterry said:
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
At least you're starting to realise who is causing this. Beats shagging the Euro flagbriantrumpet said:webboo said:
Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.rjsterry said:
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.
And Macron. Don't forget Macron.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We didn't choose to ask the French to act like awkward d1cks.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
It's not like the British have given the French any reason to be, well, French...
In other words, this is all utterly predicable... like, it was predicted. We were an ally, and now we're a competitor, by choice. Once the UK had chosen to be awkward, then it was likely that we would be treated as awkward.
As stated upthread, Dover (and to a lesser extent, the Tunnel) is a unique gateway in terms of trade and travel. The amount of people and goods passing through it survived because of the flexibility at peak times to reduce checks to a very light touch. We chose to remove that flexibility."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
At least you're starting to realise who is causing this. Beats shagging the Euro flagbriantrumpet said:webboo said:
Clearly Steveo could come home from work and find Boris and Rees Mogg tying up his missus and having their wicked way with her. But still believe it was the fault of the Labour Party and a socialist plot.rjsterry said:
Never really understood why Macron annoys you so much. Seems like a French David Cameron to me.Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
If the whole port of Dover can be be brought to a halt by a dozen French border control staff turning up a few hours late for work, maybe we need to look at building a little more resilience.
And Macron. Don't forget Macron.
Macron caused Brexit. Right.
Actually, we've not mentioned Corbyn lately.
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It's in their interests to man the border properly, given that most of the people travelling that way are going to spend money in France. Duh.HilaryAmin said:
Can you suggest why the French should fund the additional bureaucracy caused by Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
It's in their interests to man the border properly, given that most of the people travelling that way are going to spend money in France. Duh.HilaryAmin said:
Can you suggest why the French should fund the additional bureaucracy caused by Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.
Is that the same logic that said that German car manufacturers wouldn't allow trade between them and the UK countries to be disrupted?
Even if you despise Macron, you have to admit he's got our attention about yet another Brexit consequence.0 -
Anyway, time for a bit of perspective. Some of you need to stop the pointless attempts to blame the ills of the world on Brexit and look at the state of the wonderful club that you miss so much. Does this sound familiar?
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/22/self-hating-remainers-blind-eus-flaws/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It was in France’s interest that the UK stayed in the EU. But it did not. The rest is just derivative of that.Stevo_666 said:
It's in their interests to man the border properly, given that most of the people travelling that way are going to spend money in France. Duh.HilaryAmin said:
Can you suggest why the French should fund the additional bureaucracy caused by Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
The point is that they appear to be deliberately making it difficult. This is in line with Macrons past actions and known views.surrey_commuter said:
Before Brexit could there have been any reason why the French were not able to restrict a Brit’s ability to freely travel to France?Stevo_666 said:And to sum up the argument a lot of p
I am saying that a major factor is the French approach to this.surrey_commuter said:
Are you arguing that these queues are nothing to do with Brexit?Stevo_666 said:
Have we had reports of big queues at say Spanish or Portuguese border controls in the last week? The common theme with these problems seems to be that the French are involved.Pross said:
I don't remember the school summer holidays starting any other weekend either. The test of the system is always going to be when it is at its busiest.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall anyone who has been travelling going Europe recently complaining complaining about queues (whether for holdays or on business), apart from this recent issue with French border control.rjsterry said:
They were undermanned for for a few hours. The queues haven't miraculously disappeared.Stevo_666 said:
There's a subtle difference between that and creating day long traffic queues by undermanning border posts...pangolin said:
Let us know which other countries will wave you in without looking at your passport properly Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
That's fine, I'm sure quite a few people will take their holiday money to countries that don't make it so difficult. If it was simpy a Brexit issue, it would be similar for people going to any European country, but I don't recall anyone having massive issues with places like Spain.rick_chasey said:Welcome to the Brexit ✌🏻
This is what hard borders look like
Think about it. Brits leave EU to make a hard border with France. Complains France isn’t making it easy to come in.
Duuuuh
That said there were queues on Eurostar last month due to additional checks needed before boarding.0
