BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    This is just weird...

    I mean, how often does it actually come up?

    Surely mot too much hassle to wave a Geiger counter over food that's glowing






    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    On the plus side, Airbus announced Broughton will be making wings for their new planes and they are going to be recruiting hundreds of new staff (although they did shed a few hundred due to the pandemic). Admittedly it isn't exactly a Brexit win but I had thought that Airbus would start to move production to the EU so at least it isn't another Brexit loss.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    When the STV process is run SF and DUP will be closer in seats than the first preference votes suggest. SF will finish top, may even gain a couple of seats.

    The constitutionally agnostic Alliance Party are hoovering up seats from the moderate Unionist UUP and moderate Nationalist SDLP. May even leave those 2 parties without a seat at the Executive table


    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    I think the DUP may take the crown for biggest ever "Congratulations, you played yourself" from Jo Swinson...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    I found this interesting although I don't understand the system

    Election nerds - a bit of number crunching from political pundit David McCann for you now.

    "While Sinn Féin has got a strong result, the nationalist designation is likely to be two seats down on what it went in with.

    "If you think about the decline of the SDLP, probably losing about three or four seats, we are only really talking about maybe Sinn Féin picking up one so that would be a net loss of two or three seats - so the nationalist designation isn't moving forward - rather the 'other' designation is rising.

    "Although that's also been blunted slightly too as we are talking about the potential two Alliance gains coming at the expense of the Green Party, which is great for Alliance, but I would say they would have preferred having two other Greens there it adds to that 'other' designation and adds to their argument for reform.

    "Looking a the combined votes of the TUV, the UUP and DUP it comes to just over 40% and by 2017, it was at 43.6% - so the combined vote of the main unionist parties, not including unionist independents, Claire Sugden and Alex Easton is down a couple of points."
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Who are the TUV?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    kingstongraham said:

    Who are the TUV?

    DUP++
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Single Transferable Votes is the best for the drama.

    Candidates completely out of it 8 hours ago, coming back into the race at Stage 8, and the counters sent home for the night.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    kingstongraham said:

    Who are the TUV?

    Oh sweet summer child.


    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    Who are the TUV?

    Trans Unionist Voice for all those Unionists the DUP condemn.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Tuv looking at 7% of vote and only 1 of 90 seats. Ouch
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Do these results mean Alliance are the kingmakers when it comes to the protocol? If so, how are they going to decide?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TheBigBean said:

    Do these results mean Alliance are the kingmakers when it comes to the protocol? If so, how are they going to decide?

    Alliance won't vote to remove the Protocol.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Do these results mean Alliance are the kingmakers when it comes to the protocol? If so, how are they going to decide?

    Alliance won't vote to remove the Protocol.

    Will they vote to keep it or abstain?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Do these results mean Alliance are the kingmakers when it comes to the protocol? If so, how are they going to decide?

    Alliance won't vote to remove the Protocol.

    Will they vote to keep it or abstain?
    Keep it
    But the argument needs to be over by then
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Do these results mean Alliance are the kingmakers when it comes to the protocol? If so, how are they going to decide?

    Alliance won't vote to remove the Protocol.

    Will they vote to keep it or abstain?
    Keep it
    But the argument needs to be over by then
    You're expecting a swift resolution of a matter in Northern Irish politics?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Final seat allocation:


    SF: 27
    DUP: 25 (-3)
    AP: 17 (+9)
    UUP: 9 (-1)
    SDLP: 8 (-4)
    TUV: 1
    PBP: 1
    GP: 0 (-2)
    IND U: 2 (+1)

    +/- vs. 2017

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Blimey, it's tiresome. They're banging that drum yet again. I can only assume it's because they can see the way the tide is going, and realise that they are losing even more backing for doing so. Still, at least it allows them to blame the EU.




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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    The irony being that if they shut TF up about it, ran the protocol as it is for a few years, realised the benefits of NI of being in the EU and the UK (then in a few years present a sober, sensible and genuine set of improvements to the EU), they'd do a much better job of quietening down the Nationalist debate anyway...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    ddraver said:

    The irony being that if they shut TF up about it, ran the protocol as it is for a few years, realised the benefits of NI of being in the EU and the UK (then in a few years present a sober, sensible and genuine set of improvements to the EU), they'd do a much better job of quietening down the Nationalist debate anyway...


    That presupposes a strategy beyond getting to tomorrow.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    It's not really a victory for nationalism though as they've lost vote share as well as unionists.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    It's a victory for shutting up about it tbh...

    And the worst way to do that is to carry on with empty threats.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    TheBigBean said:

    It's not really a victory for nationalism though as they've lost vote share as well as unionists.

    It was a vote for ‘stop banging on about the protocol’
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    TheBigBean said:

    It's not really a victory for nationalism though as they've lost vote share as well as unionists.

    I’d say an increasing vote for alliance is a wake up call to both traditional views that a growing group want to look forwards.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Always worth reading Fintan O'Toole for those who missed it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/09/sinn-fein-victory-ending-northern-ireland-brexit-unionist-boris-johnson-united

    _
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    rick_chasey said:

    Always worth reading Fintan O'Toole for those who missed it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/09/sinn-fein-victory-ending-northern-ireland-brexit-unionist-boris-johnson-united


    Haha, you realise the impossibility of the last paragraph while Johnson is playing with himself at the helm.

    The long and the short movements of history are coming together to create the sense of an ending. There is an urgent need to talk, in the most generous, open and imaginative way, about what Northern Ireland’s afterlife might look like and how everyone can find a place within it.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Hahahaha. He has long been one of the swivel-eyed loons. Yet again, it comes down to whether he actually believes this, or is just feeding stuff to people who think our leaving the EU and the agreement that, er, we agreed, is all the EU's fault.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    briantrumpet said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Always worth reading Fintan O'Toole for those who missed it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/09/sinn-fein-victory-ending-northern-ireland-brexit-unionist-boris-johnson-united


    Haha, you realise the impossibility of the last paragraph while Johnson is playing with himself at the helm.

    The long and the short movements of history are coming together to create the sense of an ending. There is an urgent need to talk, in the most generous, open and imaginative way, about what Northern Ireland’s afterlife might look like and how everyone can find a place within it.
    He's not wrong though.
    _
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    rick_chasey said:

    briantrumpet said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Always worth reading Fintan O'Toole for those who missed it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/09/sinn-fein-victory-ending-northern-ireland-brexit-unionist-boris-johnson-united


    Haha, you realise the impossibility of the last paragraph while Johnson is playing with himself at the helm.

    The long and the short movements of history are coming together to create the sense of an ending. There is an urgent need to talk, in the most generous, open and imaginative way, about what Northern Ireland’s afterlife might look like and how everyone can find a place within it.
    He's not wrong though.

    Quite so. Unlike Johnson. I liked the line "the word 'not' has to be inserted automatically into every positive statement Johnson makes". It's impossible to deal with someone who you have to assume is lying.
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