BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Surely we should just introduce border checks. After all the German car manufacturers and Italian prosecco makers will come to the rescue in no time.0
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The only border checks the UK are enforcing are from one part of the UK to another
Fabulous work
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
So we have a NI Protocol which Wrecker Frost negotiated and who now says it's never been fit for purpose, and an admission that checking stuff coming into the UK from the EU (aka 'taking back control') isn't going to be implemented, whilst our exporters are wrapped up in extra red tape.
Bit by bit, it's unravelling. Seriously, what's left?? 💩💩💩
Apart from keeping economically active furriners out? I'll grant you, that's a 'win', if you think that's a selling point.
Who'da thunkit?0 -
This is sh!t but it is the sh!t we voted for.
Yeah! 🤣 How stupid we are. Yeah!The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔0 -
john80 said:
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔
Do you really want to carry on digging?0 -
You are the one that has failed to answer a simple question twice. Have a look in the mirror.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔
Do you really want to carry on digging?0 -
john80 said:
You are the one that has failed to answer a simple question twice. Have a look in the mirror.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔
Do you really want to carry on digging?
If it's not bleedin' obvious, of coure asymmetric barriers areshit. But that's what you voted for. It's called Brexit, which was always a steaming pile of 💩.
I'm looking towards a future when, probably after I'm dead, stupid restrictive barriers between the UK and the EU are once again dismantled. There's nothing backwards-looking about that.0 -
Who introduced this asymmetric trade deal?john80 said:
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔
Think about that before posting.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I didn't think that this would turn into a comedy thread quite so quickly, but I suppose we've got Rees-Smug to thank for that.1
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We had a bilateral trade agreement that you voted to get rid of and you are now concerned with a asymmetrical trade agreement?john80 said:
I get you want to live in the past rather than answer the question. Kind of sums up remainers really. So I will ask again is this asymmetric trade good for UK manufacturers?briantrumpet said:john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔
Serious question, are you on the windup?
I’ll answer the question, this asymmetrical trade agreement is a complete and utter sh1t show. You’ve been defending Brexit and this government for the last 6 years. How about you stop moaning about it and own it 👍0 -
I apologise to @john80 for the slightly hysterical reply above. It is sometimes hard to be objective when the red tape and beaurocracy directly impacts you.
The fact they are delaying checks again is actually the right decision for the British consumer. It maintains access to a much wider range of products at a more competitive price.
It’s the fact that the above was always denied by this government and Brexiteers. It was denounced as Project Fear and now it would be an ‘act of self harm’
Touché.
It will be interesting whether they will ever implement the checks.
If the penny seems to be dropping with Brexiteers like @john80 above then I suppose that’s a positive thing but only if they hold this government, who negotiated this utter pile of steaming sh1te, accountable for it.
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I think this is a good question and previously when I suggested it was a good option many people disagreed with me.john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
For UK manufacturers each import can be unfair competition or a vital part of their supply chain. I suspect that the powers that be peered into the abyss and did not like the look of the economic disruption.
Therefore to answer your question it is good for the UK economy and good overall for UK manufacturers but will be bad for many.0 -
Can’t disagree with that. Unfortunately I’m in one of the industries which has been adversely affected albeit with us having mitigated as much as possible.surrey_commuter said:
I think this is a good question and previously when I suggested it was a good option many people disagreed with me.john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
For UK manufacturers each import can be unfair competition or a vital part of their supply chain. I suspect that the powers that be peered into the abyss and did not like the look of the economic disruption.
Therefore to answer your question it is good for the UK economy and good overall for UK manufacturers but will be bad for many.
It does make a mockery of ‘Global Britain’ though.
Would be even better if we had unfettered access to the biggest market in the world but I realise that makes me a regressive looking remoaner.
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It is better not to have checks on imports from a market that has standards we trust.
It would be better still if the EU also accepted our standards, but they don't.0 -
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They do accept our standards but we insisted on the right to change them in the future. Understandably they don’t accept a standard they don’t know about.kingstongraham said:It is better not to have checks on imports from a market that has standards we trust.
It would be better still if the EU also accepted our standards, but they don't.0 -
If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?0 -
Because UKCA are British standards so are obviously gold-plated, world beating standards that are the same as er......CE.tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
Just another cost and more red tape that British companies are having to absorb which our European competitors don't.0 -
skyblueamateur said:
Because UKCA are British standards so are obviously gold-plated, world beating standards that are the same as er......CE.tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
Just another cost and more red tape that British companies are having to absorb which our European competitors don't.
And, of course, more bleedin' obvious:
If UK standards are less stringent to undercut EU 'burdens', UK products won't be let into the EU, and if they are higher, UK costs will be higher. However much people might dislike the EU, standards alignment makes logical sense.
At the base of the Brexit delusion/lie is that the EU isn't an important market for the UK, and the hubris that the EU can be ignored.0 -
You can't expect a thicko like Rees Mogg to understand biosecurity. He wasn't an MP the last time the countryside was littered with burning animal carcasses.rick_chasey said:tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I don't understand the BVA position, when what they wanted was to maintain EU standards.rjsterry said:
You can't expect a thicko like Rees Mogg to understand biosecurity. He wasn't an MP the last time the countryside was littered with burning animal carcasses.rick_chasey said:tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
The NFU position is clearly protectionism, but understandable. They also wanted to remain in the EU, so did not have these concerns about EU standards before.0 -
I don't think they have accepted our standards. There are many examples in the negotiation where they were treating UK goods or services at a lower level of trust that some comical comparisons prior to the rules being changed. Few on this forum noticed this as they are so blind to the wonders of the EU. They could not even agree a basic OK you comply on this date we will keep an eye out and when you change things we will impose restrictions then.surrey_commuter said:
They do accept our standards but we insisted on the right to change them in the future. Understandably they don’t accept a standard they don’t know about.kingstongraham said:It is better not to have checks on imports from a market that has standards we trust.
It would be better still if the EU also accepted our standards, but they don't.0 -
The issue is how sustainable is this in the long term. If you have a product then need you can make exporting work. If you are competing for plants to locate in the UK that through scale require more than a UK market allowing your exports to be checked without doing anything in return is not a good look. But hey if we look at energy policy why worry about long term.surrey_commuter said:
I think this is a good question and previously when I suggested it was a good option many people disagreed with me.john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
For UK manufacturers each import can be unfair competition or a vital part of their supply chain. I suspect that the powers that be peered into the abyss and did not like the look of the economic disruption.
Therefore to answer your question it is good for the UK economy and good overall for UK manufacturers but will be bad for many.0 -
It still is a great idea until people burdened it with other stuff that lead to the UK electorate voting for Brexit. If only you could separate all the other stuff you don't want.rick_chasey said:Are people working out why staying in the single market was a good idea?
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Check out the question on the ballotjohn80 said:
It still is a great idea until people burdened it with other stuff that lead to the UK electorate voting for Brexit. If only you could separate all the other stuff you don't want.rick_chasey said:Are people working out why staying in the single market was a good idea?
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