BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yep,rick_chasey said:
Obviously.tailwindhome said:Andrew McCormick, the NI Civil Servant tasked with being the lead on Brexit disagrees with much of Frost's version of events
Link in tweet below
I find the frost argument: “saved the Tory party” and “biggest majority in 30 years” most telling.
Not sure his measure of success is the same as everyone else’s.
Paraphrasing, we told a load of lies to get votes. That we can’t deliver is secondary.0 -
But of course you're not obliged to accept that help. Carry on...briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Sometimes when people are a bit obsessed with something and being tedious about it, a helpful hint is neededbriantrumpet said:.
Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
You don't have to read it, if it's that tedious. Or comment, for that matter.
I'm just being helpful...
What, like you're obsessed with Corbyn? 🤔"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
But of course you're not obliged to accept that help. Carry on...briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Sometimes when people are a bit obsessed with something and being tedious about it, a helpful hint is neededbriantrumpet said:.
Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
You don't have to read it, if it's that tedious. Or comment, for that matter.
I'm just being helpful...
What, like you're obsessed with Corbyn? 🤔
I can work out why you don't like people to talk about this continuing shïtshow (though Wrecker Frost is still trying to justify the pile of 💩 he helped create). Unlike Corbyn, it's still relevant, even if you're in denial.
Seems like there's still stuff to discuss, so thanks for the offer, but...0 -
You said a while back you weren't going to post on here, might be time to come good on that if all you have is insults.Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
Northern Ireland politics is a blind spot for me, but it seems fairly important and relevant to the aftermath of brexit and the future relationship between the uk and the eu so I appreciate the insight from someone who actually follows it.0 -
Simply commenting on the debate. To sum up...kingstongraham said:
You said a while back you weren't going to post on here, might be time to come good on that if all you have is insults.Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
Northern Ireland politics is a blind spot for me, but it seems fairly important and relevant to the aftermath of brexit and the future relationship between the uk and the eu so I appreciate the insight from someone who actually follows it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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You frightened of learning something?Stevo_666 said:
Simply commenting on the debate. To sum up...kingstongraham said:
You said a while back you weren't going to post on here, might be time to come good on that if all you have is insults.Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
Northern Ireland politics is a blind spot for me, but it seems fairly important and relevant to the aftermath of brexit and the future relationship between the uk and the eu so I appreciate the insight from someone who actually follows it.0 -
I'm not sure who is flogging the dead horse here?
The Conservative Party are (reportedly) including a bill in the upcoming Queen's Speech to give ministers power to amend the deal that was 'done' 2 years ago.
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Can't remember if this was linked before, but as Stevo insists that it's all boring, perhaps he'd like to tell his beloved Telegraph of that fact. Especially as Rees'Smug tells us that actually, you know, Brexiting would be an "act of self-harm" (see previous amputation references, ad nauseam.)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/01/04/time-running-prove-brexit-not-historic-failure/The Prime Minister had an inspiring message for everyone on New Year’s Eve: get vaccinated to help stop the spread of omicron. It should be everyone’s resolution for 2022, he said, although with 82.5pc of those aged 12 and over double-jabbed, and 59.3pc already topped up with a booster, it was not a rallying cry to divide the nation in “take back control” style.
Still, in the spirit of telling others what to do, here’s a new year’s pledge for Boris Johnson. Prove to the people of this country – both Brexiteers and Remainers – that Brexit isn’t destined to become a historic failure.
It’s been five long years since the shock referendum result and 12 full months since Britain burst free from the shackles of Brussels. Yet even some of the most ardent Brexiteers are beginning to reluctantly concede that life outside the EU has yet to live up to its billing. Lord Frost’s resignation from the Cabinet last month partly expressed that disappointment.
The Government too seems to have tacitly acknowledged such frustrations with a press release to mark the end of 2021 that promised “to build on Brexit achievements in 2022”. Coming just as several trade bodies warned that new customs checks would wreck imports from the bloc, with one predicting they would become “more expensive, less flexible and much slower”, it was comically bad timing.
According to No 10’s missive, among the “key successes” so far is “taking back control of our borders”, a boast not necessarily supported by the record number of Channel crossings in 2021 when arrivals tripled to more than 28,000, or the exodus of legal migrant EU workers that has left some industries facing a workforce crisis.
Still, if nothing else, surely we can all agree that when it comes to “axing red tape”, the return of the crown stamp on to the side of pint glasses counts as a significant victory over those pesky Brussels bureaucrats. Ditto removing the ban on selling in pounds and ounces.
It’s pretty weak stuff from the Downing Street spinners. Perhaps all those parties are catching up with them. What has happened to all the big free trade deals that were promised? In their search for benefits, officials are scraping the bottom of the barrel with such fury that they have tunnelled through to the antipodes.
The Prime Minister can talk all he likes about “landmark deals” with Australia and New Zealand but by the Government’s own admission, neither will move the dial when it comes to GDP or cheaper goods.
The pacts are supposed to “pave the way” for Britain’s entry to the £9 trillion Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, whose members include major economies such as Canada, Japan and Mexico. But membership of this big club remains aspirational for now and there are serious questions about the overall benefits to exporters given the physical distance between the UK and the Pacific region.
It has also been pointed out that the UK may be required to make the kind of compromises that Brexiteers persistently cited as one of the main reasons for leaving the EU.
The big prize remains an agreement with America but as the one-year anniversary of Joe Biden’s inauguration approaches, a transatlantic tie-up remains as far beyond our reach as ever. The unfortunate reality anyway is that for all the political hot air that they generate, most free-trade deals have very little impact owing to their limited scope.
But it’s not just that the benefits of Brexit have so far proved elusive. It’s worse than that. The initial impact, from chaos with customs checks and a heavy blow to business investment has been almost overwhelmingly negative – and things could get a lot worse.
Goods coming into Britain face a fresh avalanche of paperwork, threatening more supply chain dislocation and to overwhelm our ports. The Northern Ireland conundrum – which stumped Lord Frost and failed to merit a mention in the Prime Minister’s new year message – has been handed to Liz Truss, whose recent ascendency is better evidence of the Government’s weakness than her strengths. Food prices could spiral further after a year in which inflation had hit 5.2pc by the end of November.
For the time being, the Government still has the electorate on its side but only just perhaps. While a recent Ipsos Mori poll found just 24pc of the population favoured rejoining the EU, results of a separate survey for Opinium showed that 42pc of people who voted Leave in 2016 had a negative view of how Brexit had turned out so far.
Voters aren’t mugs. Ministers can’t keep dismissing the downsides as teething problems. Nor will the public continue to accept the jam tomorrow version of events. When Boris says the Government will go “further and faster” in 2022 to maximise the opportunities of Brexit, he should be held to it.
This is the year when reality should finally match all the hype, otherwise even the most staunch Brexiteers may be forced to question whether they will ever get what they wanted.0 -
"The British government’s deliberate leak further indicated that Queen Elizabeth will be expected to announce the incriminating domestic legislation in May at the opening of the next parliamentary session. This would amount to a disrespectful and demeaning gift from the Johnson government to her majesty to mark her platinum jubilee. The queen is recognised as someone of integrity. Moreover, it would be particularly galling for her, as someone who has made a historic personal contribution to improving British-Irish relations, to be asked to announce a measure that is so confrontational and provocative towards Ireland."
Not forgetting the IRA murdered cousin Louis. She should call in sick.
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Indeed...briantrumpet said:Can't remember if this was linked before, but as Stevo insists that it's all boring, perhaps he'd like to tell his beloved Telegraph of that fact.
(🤣 - WTF is that shit?!?)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I have never met themTheBigBean said:
What about the flag waving lot?surrey_commuter said:
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU0 -
There's a Brexit benefit for Walter Rees Mogg, when you go on holiday things will seem cheaper. Assuming you can afford a holiday that isrick_chasey said:0 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Would this explain it?
Yesterday I read a report that British holiday-makers at Malaga airport were 'incensed' because Irish passport holders were being processed as if on some kind of fast track.
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Much like UK passport holders did while in the EU while there was queues in the non-EU lines. I can certainly see the appeal.HilaryAmin said:Would this explain it?
Yesterday I read a report that British holiday-makers at Malaga airport were 'incensed' because Irish passport holders were being processed as if on some kind of fast track.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.0
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That and the right to live, love and stay in the EU whenever they like...HilaryAmin said:Would this explain it?
Yesterday I read a report that British holiday-makers at Malaga airport were 'incensed' because Irish passport holders were being processed as if on some kind of fast track.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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TheBigBean said:
Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.
How does that work? Passports will need to be stamped...0 -
It's going paperless.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.
How does that work? Passports will need to be stamped...
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en0 -
Great news.0
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If it works. That's a big if. Otherwise, I can see a situation where one country's immigration officer is demanding proof that you left another country on time due a system failure.kingstongraham said:Great news.
The UK does it and it works, but then the UK doesn't worry too much about people overstaying0 -
TheBigBean said:
It's going paperless.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.
How does that work? Passports will need to be stamped...
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en
Thanks. Yes, indeed good news if it works - stamping bits of paper in this day & age does seem a silly way to keep tabs.0 -
Meh. Don't buy Alliance level with DUPrick_chasey said:
Latest poll“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It is, but stamps are a more useful record for the traveller. The UK system works for visitors, because the UK doesn't have a requirement of x days in y days. It works less well for residents needing to prove it.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
It's going paperless.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.
How does that work? Passports will need to be stamped...
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en
Thanks. Yes, indeed good news if it works - stamping bits of paper in this day & age does seem a silly way to keep tabs.0 -
Now saying, on the eve of the NI election, that no legislation on the Protocol will be in the Queen's Speechtailwindhome said:I'm not sure who is flogging the dead horse here?
The Conservative Party are (reportedly) including a bill in the upcoming Queen's Speech to give ministers power to amend the deal that was 'done' 2 years ago.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I got challenged on an American train to prove when I entered the country. I had to point out to him one of America's entry stamps. They left us to hassle some Mexicans.TheBigBean said:
It is, but stamps are a more useful record for the traveller. The UK system works for visitors, because the UK doesn't have a requirement of x days in y days. It works less well for residents needing to prove it.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
It's going paperless.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Brits will soon be able to use the egates on entering the Schengen area.
How does that work? Passports will need to be stamped...
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en
Thanks. Yes, indeed good news if it works - stamping bits of paper in this day & age does seem a silly way to keep tabs.0 -
tailwindhome said:
Now saying, on the eve of the NI election, that no legislation on the Protocol will be in the Queen's Speechtailwindhome said:I'm not sure who is flogging the dead horse here?
The Conservative Party are (reportedly) including a bill in the upcoming Queen's Speech to give ministers power to amend the deal that was 'done' 2 years ago.
I wonder if Brenda told 'em she wasn't going to announce an illegal course of action.0
