BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Otherwise known as the 'cake and eat it' approach.john80 said:
It still is a great idea until people burdened it with other stuff that lead to the UK electorate voting for Brexit. If only you could separate all the other stuff you don't want.rick_chasey said:Are people working out why staying in the single market was a good idea?
In the search for an ever purer Brexit, as soon as we said we were leaving the CU the horse bolted.
Nobody on the Leave side ever mentioned leaving the CU between the referendum0 -
What I find funny is your lack of awareness of the failings of the EU that led to the question even getting onto the ballot. It was not really that hard to avoid yet they couldn't.rick_chasey said:
Check out the question on the ballotjohn80 said:
It still is a great idea until people burdened it with other stuff that lead to the UK electorate voting for Brexit. If only you could separate all the other stuff you don't want.rick_chasey said:Are people working out why staying in the single market was a good idea?
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I recognise that we have left the EU.john80 said:
I don't think they have accepted our standards. There are many examples in the negotiation where they were treating UK goods or services at a lower level of trust that some comical comparisons prior to the rules being changed. Few on this forum noticed this as they are so blind to the wonders of the EU. They could not even agree a basic OK you comply on this date we will keep an eye out and when you change things we will impose restrictions then.surrey_commuter said:
They do accept our standards but we insisted on the right to change them in the future. Understandably they don’t accept a standard they don’t know about.kingstongraham said:It is better not to have checks on imports from a market that has standards we trust.
It would be better still if the EU also accepted our standards, but they don't.
I'm surprised that you expect such great flexibility from the EU when it doesn't seem in their interests.0 -
Can we stop suggesting that anyone who voted to remain is somehow in love with the EU. It's childish.
These things aren't binary. There is a lot about the EU that I would take issue with but I respect the CU (self-preservation obviously) but believe we were better trying to instigate change from the inside.
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I accept we've left the EU. It cost me a job.
It's going to cost the country much more.
Hence why I think it was a bad idea to leave the EU and that we should probably think about how we mitigate or even undo that bad idea. Many people have known this for a long time...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I don’t think you understood the ballot question.john80 said:
What I find funny is your lack of awareness of the failings of the EU that led to the question even getting onto the ballot. It was not really that hard to avoid yet they couldn't.rick_chasey said:
Check out the question on the ballotjohn80 said:
It still is a great idea until people burdened it with other stuff that lead to the UK electorate voting for Brexit. If only you could separate all the other stuff you don't want.rick_chasey said:Are people working out why staying in the single market was a good idea?
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I have made a real effort to understand the motivations of Brexiteers and would like to politely suggest that you try the same for Remainers.john80 said:
I don't think they have accepted our standards. There are many examples in the negotiation where they were treating UK goods or services at a lower level of trust that some comical comparisons prior to the rules being changed. Few on this forum noticed this as they are so blind to the wonders of the EU. They could not even agree a basic OK you comply on this date we will keep an eye out and when you change things we will impose restrictions then.surrey_commuter said:
They do accept our standards but we insisted on the right to change them in the future. Understandably they don’t accept a standard they don’t know about.kingstongraham said:It is better not to have checks on imports from a market that has standards we trust.
It would be better still if the EU also accepted our standards, but they don't.
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU what they tend to be is practical people who don't care about Sovereignty. This means we are not opposite sides of the coin. Because you want the EU to fail it does not mean we want the UK to fail.
Do you not see that you can not enter an international treaty with a policy of "keeping an eye out" and this is especially so when the other country has a stated aim of lowering those standards. Why did we not agree to not change the standards for ten years and even then give 12 months notice. This would have given us enough time to do a US trade deal and change standards if necessary3 -
I don't think it is meant as a childish insult like "Remoaner". I think it reflects their hatred of the EU which leads them to believe your emotion towards it is the opposite.skyblueamateur said:Can we stop suggesting that anyone who voted to remain is somehow in love with the EU. It's childish.
These things aren't binary. There is a lot about the EU that I would take issue with but I respect the CU (self-preservation obviously) but believe we were better trying to instigate change from the inside.0 -
I'll be honest before the referendum this was a complete non-issue to me. I was always a bit ambivalent towards the EU. Was never sure why it struck such passion in those against the EU.surrey_commuter said:
I don't think it is meant as a childish insult like "Remoaner". I think it reflects their hatred of the EU which leads them to believe your emotion towards it is the opposite.skyblueamateur said:Can we stop suggesting that anyone who voted to remain is somehow in love with the EU. It's childish.
These things aren't binary. There is a lot about the EU that I would take issue with but I respect the CU (self-preservation obviously) but believe we were better trying to instigate change from the inside.0 -
What about the flag waving lot?surrey_commuter said:
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU0 -
I've never met anyone who has waved an EU flag. Fortunately I don't know any of the cranks on Parliament Green.TheBigBean said:
What about the flag waving lot?surrey_commuter said:
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU
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I have never met themTheBigBean said:
What about the flag waving lot?surrey_commuter said:
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU0 -
As far as I understand it, it's not that the EU standards are bad (although they aren't as high as ours on animal welfare) but that we are now not checking stuff which previously we did check even when imported from Europe.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand the BVA position, when what they wanted was to maintain EU standards.rjsterry said:
You can't expect a thicko like Rees Mogg to understand biosecurity. He wasn't an MP the last time the countryside was littered with burning animal carcasses.rick_chasey said:tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
The NFU position is clearly protectionism, but understandable. They also wanted to remain in the EU, so did not have these concerns about EU standards before.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Met a few people who have suddenly found a European identity post Brexit.TheBigBean said:
What about the flag waving lot?surrey_commuter said:
Whilst it is dangerous to generalise I have never met anybody who "loves" the EU
I think it's more revulsion towards the more Farage-y end of brexit than a love for EU. Basically they went to sleep in a liberal democracy and woke up and found a voting majority agreed with what they saw as a more fascist element.
I'm not sure how you heal it tbh. Difficult to see how to make the best of it, without at least making moves to rejoin the customs union, or possibly the SM. Because ultimately those things probably come out as the route of actions when you draw up a pros and cons list...0 -
Round and round we go... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Ah, gotcha. That is weird.rjsterry said:
As far as I understand it, it's not that the EU standards are bad (although they aren't as high as ours on animal welfare) but that we are now not checking stuff which previously we did check even when imported from Europe.kingstongraham said:
I don't understand the BVA position, when what they wanted was to maintain EU standards.rjsterry said:
You can't expect a thicko like Rees Mogg to understand biosecurity. He wasn't an MP the last time the countryside was littered with burning animal carcasses.rick_chasey said:tailwindhome said:If there are no checks on goods in from the EU
And goods out must meet EU standards and are checked for conformity
Where is the benefit of setting your own standards?
The NFU position is clearly protectionism, but understandable. They also wanted to remain in the EU, so did not have these concerns about EU standards before.0 -
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
OK.Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
.Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
You don't have to read it, if it's that tedious. Or comment, for that matter.0 -
Sometimes when people are a bit obsessed with something and being tedious about it, a helpful hint is neededbriantrumpet said:.
Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
You don't have to read it, if it's that tedious. Or comment, for that matter.
I'm just being helpful..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Sometimes when people are a bit obsessed with something and being tedious about it, a helpful hint is neededbriantrumpet said:.
Stevo_666 said:
Or to be precise, round and round you go.tailwindhome said:
IndeedStevo_666 said:Round and round we go...
It's been tedious for a while now.
You don't have to read it, if it's that tedious. Or comment, for that matter.
I'm just being helpful...
What, like you're obsessed with Corbyn? 🤔0 -
Frost, breaks his silence (🤣) on why he signed the Protocol
https://policyexchange.org.uk/pxevents/the-northern-ireland-protocol-how-we-got-here-and-what-should-happen-now-keynote-speech-by-rt-hon-lord-frost-of-allenton-cmg/
Tl;Dr he summarises it in a tweet reply to Gavin Barswell
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Andrew McCormick, the NI Civil Servant tasked with being the lead on Brexit disagrees with much of Frost's version of events
Link in tweet below
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Obviously.tailwindhome said:Andrew McCormick, the NI Civil Servant tasked with being the lead on Brexit disagrees with much of Frost's version of events
Link in tweet below
I find the frost argument: “saved the Tory party” and “biggest majority in 30 years” most telling.
Not sure his measure of success is the same as everyone else’s.0 -
I assume many of the old tory big hitters would disagree with the line about saving the tory party too.rick_chasey said:
Obviously.tailwindhome said:Andrew McCormick, the NI Civil Servant tasked with being the lead on Brexit disagrees with much of Frost's version of events
Link in tweet below
I find the frost argument: “saved the Tory party” and “biggest majority in 30 years” most telling.
Not sure his measure of success is the same as everyone else’s.0
