BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Apparently Boris is putting a bill in the Queen's which gives Ministers power to disapply the Protocol
Lol“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
Apparently Boris is putting a bill in the Queen's which gives Ministers power to disapply the Protocol
Lol
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Again, it doesn’t matter to the Tories if they win or not. (Actually there’s a distinct possibility they wouldn’t want to). As long as they can create a narrative they are fighting for Brexit against vested interests, happy days.0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
You'd only need to have got to paragraph 2.TheBigBean said:
Thanks. Does the FT mention this bit?kingstongraham said:TheBigBean said:
See headline quoted above. I have little faith in FT reporting.rick_chasey said:
The general gist of the twitter thread seems to match with the source: https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/dp1847.pdf
If you can't make money as a small company shipping relatively low value products overseas any more, you would just not do that.We do not find evidence of a statistically or economically significant decline in the UK’s trade with the EU relative to the rest of the world prior to the implementation of the TCA. This finding holds for both exports and imports and for both the intensive and extensive margins of trade. As Brexit only affected expectations regarding future trade costs during the Interim period, our results provide novel evidence that trade flows are relatively unresponsive to anticipated, but uncertain, increases in trade barriers.
However, we find that the shift from the transition period to the TCA led to immediate and sizable changes in UK-EU trade relative to UK-rest of the world trade, with notable asymmetries between exports and imports. Although UK exports to the EU fell sharply at the start of 2021, they subsequently rebounded, and our results do not show a persistent negative effect of the TCA on export values. Nonetheless, we do find large negative effects on the extensive margin of exports to the EU relative to the rest of the world. We estimate that the introduction of the TCA reduced the count of product-destination export relationships with EU countries per quarter by around 30% in 2021. The extensive margin effect is concentrated in lower value relationships, which is consistent with the rise in non-tariff barriers under the TCA increasing the fixed costs of trade.
"Although UK exports to the EU have now recovered to pre-pandemic levels, analysis of trading data shows the number of relationships between buyers and sellers tumbled by a third after the introduction of the EU-UK trade deal in January 2021."
Also calls it pre-Brexit levels lower down.
It's another study that doesn't conflict with the one Stevo shared.0 -
If I remember rightly the Unionists supported the deal. If this is correct has anybody asked them why they did so and why they no longer do?tailwindhome said:0 -
Because they are absolutely off their head.surrey_commuter said:
If I remember rightly the Unionists supported the deal. If this is correct has anybody asked them why they did so and why they no longer do?tailwindhome said:
They brought down May's deal and then signed up for a border in the Irish Sea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70kLfzwuBkw
It is why they are going to rightfully get a kicking in the elections on Thursday0 -
They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
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So they had a choice of believing what was written in the legal agreement or the testiculations of Boris, and they chose the latter?skyblueamateur said:They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
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Lol politicians don’t necessarily read muchsurrey_commuter said:
So they had a choice of believing what was written in the legal agreement or the testiculations of Boris, and they chose the latter?skyblueamateur said:They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
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Yep, in a nutshell. They're not the brightest.surrey_commuter said:
So they had a choice of believing what was written in the legal agreement or the testiculations of Boris, and they chose the latter?skyblueamateur said:They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
Very much a case of them cutting their nose off to spite their face.0 -
Were the DUP sufficient in number to offset the votes against May's deal from within her own party?skyblueamateur said:
Because they are absolutely off their head.surrey_commuter said:
If I remember rightly the Unionists supported the deal. If this is correct has anybody asked them why they did so and why they no longer do?tailwindhome said:
They brought down May's deal and then signed up for a border in the Irish Sea.
It is why they are going to rightfully get a kicking in the elections on Thursday
I dimly recall there being a large majority against her deal the third time it was presented (circa 60 - the smallest majority against in the three votes that were held) but only 10 DUP MPs, with the potential to reduce the majority against May's deal to only 40.
As an aside, I think our current PM actually "voted against Brexit" in the House more times than some notable Europhile Tories who actually voted for the May deal each time it was presented.
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Ialways assumed that they had people read it for them and give an Executive Summary.rick_chasey said:
Lol politicians don’t necessarily read muchsurrey_commuter said:
So they had a choice of believing what was written in the legal agreement or the testiculations of Boris, and they chose the latter?skyblueamateur said:They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
But then i assumed Ministers had a team of people coming up with ideas and it was not just Grant Shapps working alone to solve the cost of living crisis by making MOTs every other year0 -
Ministers maybe. Not MPs.surrey_commuter said:
Ialways assumed that they had people read it for them and give an Executive Summary.rick_chasey said:
Lol politicians don’t necessarily read muchsurrey_commuter said:
So they had a choice of believing what was written in the legal agreement or the testiculations of Boris, and they chose the latter?skyblueamateur said:They believed Johnson when he said there would be 'No Irish Sea Border'
But then i assumed Ministers had a team of people coming up with ideas and it was not just Grant Shapps working alone to solve the cost of living crisis by making MOTs every other year0 -
They weren't but a lot of the Tory Brexiteers were siding with the DUP as they saw Mays deal as a betrayal of the Union............and then proceeded to vote for a sea border in the Irish Seawallace_and_gromit said:
Were the DUP sufficient in number to offset the votes against May's deal from within her own party?skyblueamateur said:
Because they are absolutely off their head.surrey_commuter said:
If I remember rightly the Unionists supported the deal. If this is correct has anybody asked them why they did so and why they no longer do?tailwindhome said:
They brought down May's deal and then signed up for a border in the Irish Sea.
It is why they are going to rightfully get a kicking in the elections on Thursday
I dimly recall there being a large majority against her deal the third time it was presented (circa 60 - the smallest majority against in the three votes that were held) but only 10 DUP MPs, with the potential to reduce the majority against May's deal to only 40.
As an aside, I think our current PM actually "voted against Brexit" in the House more times than some notable Europhile Tories who actually voted for the May deal each time it was presented. 0 -
I thought the Tory Brexiteers voted against TM's deal because it was a betrayal of their preference for a "proper" Brexit. I don't think they gave a stuff about Union other than as a rhetorical tool. I might be being harsh here.0
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Unionists didn't support the deal.
There was a moment that they accepted a regulatory border subject to their veto before the transition period ended.
Boris ran with that. Included a customs border and binned their veto.
Eta
After the deal was signed they were resigned to the deal and took that approach to it's implementation.....however their polling collapsed and their line hardened“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Interesting read. Thanks for posting.briantrumpet said:
Re: “Third, reneging on a binding treaty would further undermine relations between the UK and its natural partners in Europe. Retaliation would inevitably follow in the wider EU-UK trade relationship. The Johnson government would bear full responsibility for the consequences that would be negative for both parties.“
I’m not sure the Tories would see this as a bad outcome. Keeping Brexit tensions alive for another 2.5 years seems to be an electoral objective.0 -
What's the story behind Johnson's Benny Hill impression in that photo?briantrumpet said:0 -
That's a strange tactic* given BJ has already stated that he got Brexit done.morstar said:
I’m not sure the Tories would see this as a bad outcome. Keeping Brexit tensions alive for another 2.5 years seems to be an electoral objective.
Further proof to not believe a word that comes out of the man's mouth.
*even though it seems that it is the tactic.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Delaying checks on imports till the end of 2023
‘ Mr Rees-Mogg said it would have been "an act of self-harm" if the government had decided to go ahead with the import controls.’
Said without a hint of irony 🤯🤯🤯0 -
Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.0
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john80 said:
Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?0 -
*The sound of the penny dropping……*john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Disadvantage British companies more by insisting on UKCA whereas CE will do on imports 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Who’d have thought Brexit would end up as a series of nonsensical rules and regulations so the Tory party can claim ‘sovereignty’.
‘It’s a massive sh1t-show but it’s our British sh1t show’0 -
skyblueamateur said:
*The sound of the penny dropping……*john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Disadvantage British companies more by insisting on UKCA whereas CE will do on imports 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Who’d have thought Brexit would end up as a series of nonsensical rules and regulations so the Tory party can claim ‘sovereignty’.
‘It’s a massive censored -show but it’s our British censored show’
But just imagine the size of the bonfire of all the extra red tape the Tories' Brexit has created! Mind you, it'll probably be cheaper to import red tape made in the EU, made by workers who might have otherwise been making it in the UK and paying UK taxes too...0 -
Brexit has been the biggest creator of beaurocracy and red tape for small businesses that I have ever known in my 20 years working.briantrumpet said:skyblueamateur said:
*The sound of the penny dropping……*john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Disadvantage British companies more by insisting on UKCA whereas CE will do on imports 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Who’d have thought Brexit would end up as a series of nonsensical rules and regulations so the Tory party can claim ‘sovereignty’.
‘It’s a massive censored -show but it’s our British censored show’
But just imagine the size of the bonfire of all the extra red tape the Tories' Brexit has created! Mind you, it'll probably be cheaper to import red tape made in the EU, made by workers who might have otherwise been making it in the UK and paying UK taxes too...
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Ports who built (at great expense) infrastructure to do the checks are starting to suspect that the checks will never come in.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/28/uk-sea-ports-consider-legal-action-delay-brexit-controls-jacob-rees-moggThe British Ports Association (BPA), a lobby group for the industry, said it was concerned the expensive border posts, subsidised with nearly £200m from the taxpayer, may never be used. The group said its members would ask for permission to bulldoze the new buildings if the government confirmed this was the case.
Is this the Brexit that supposedly 'everyone knew what they were voting for'? When's the penny going to drop that you've been had, and it really is one big pile of steaming poo?0 -
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?0 -
john80 said:
If you accept that Brexit has occured do you think that it is in the interests of UK manufacturers to have no standards or checks for goods coming in but not the other way round?briantrumpet said:john80 said:Why invest in Britain if you can ship your goods in without charge whilst any competitor based in Britain that needs EU orders for scale can't compete. Wonder when the government will figure this out.
Have you yet figured out why it's a bad idea to put up unnecessary barriers between the UK and its nearest and largest trading market?
Ah, so you're into the 'Well, it's a big pile of steaming poo, but it should be this bad!" stage of realisation then?
Tell you what, why doesn't someone dream up a scheme in which there are reciprocal agreements to have common standards so we can do away with border checks in both directions? Good idea, eh?? 🤔1
