BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Texts from a mate to tell you where supplies are is a bit late era Soviet Russia, no?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Interesting on the subject of EU mistakes in the negotiations
The line on Article 16 of the Protocol (according to a former govt advisor) on trade diversion isn't supposed to be there
It's a hangover from the original backstop text missed in the legal scrub.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Not everything is, but Ocado's warehouse is a pretty good effort at "carting around".kingstongraham said:
Sure, if you think cleaning, killing, caring and carting around are ripe for more automation.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
Oops. Without it the agreement might be consistent which clearly was never the intention though.tailwindhome said:Interesting on the subject of EU mistakes in the negotiations
The line on Article 16 of the Protocol (according to a former govt advisor) on trade diversion isn't supposed to be there
It's a hangover from the original backstop text missed in the legal scrub.0 -
I took that as meaning moving things around the country.TheBigBean said:
Not everything is, but Ocado's warehouse is a pretty good effort at "carting around".kingstongraham said:
Sure, if you think cleaning, killing, caring and carting around are ripe for more automation.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
It can all be made more efficient as discussed with food miles. Incidentally, there is the same issue with China and shipping. The previous model of shipping stuff to China, getting some work done and then shipping it somewhere else is under strain due to shipping costs.kingstongraham said:
I took that as meaning moving things around the country.TheBigBean said:
Not everything is, but Ocado's warehouse is a pretty good effort at "carting around".kingstongraham said:
Sure, if you think cleaning, killing, caring and carting around are ripe for more automation.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
Apart from when the robots catch fire...twiceTheBigBean said:
Not everything is, but Ocado's warehouse is a pretty good effort at "carting around".kingstongraham said:
Sure, if you think cleaning, killing, caring and carting around are ripe for more automation.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?
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Maybe they don't spend as much time on the internet.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
One measure is just GDP over the number of people as illuminating as this could ever be.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?0 -
I'm not sure what the French magic ingredients are but I don't think it was restricting immigration.TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Earnings per hour per capita.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?
So UK overall earns roughly the same as France, depending on what FX is doing, but the French work fewer hours.
The argument goes unions are stronger in France so the bottom end have more bargaining power, for minimum wages etc.
I think France runs slightly higher unemployment generally than the UK.0 -
you mean, they clean them?rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
They make it expensive to employ people. It's the same idea.rjsterry said:
I'm not sure what the French magic ingredients are but I don't think it was restricting immigration.TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.0 -
This reminds me of the Indiana Jones scene with the sabre and the gun.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/france-uk-jersey-eu-energy-supply-fishing-row-channel
Let me see... who's got more to lose? Some fish, or energy supplies...??
Oh, I forget, the UK has all the cards.1 -
That makes sense. I thought the whole point of the EU playing hard ball re NI was to replace dependence on the UK (and hence the risk of anything "dodgy" slipping in) by "forcing" a shift to EU-based supply chains as the path of least resistance.tailwindhome said:Interesting on the subject of EU mistakes in the negotiations
The line on Article 16 of the Protocol (according to a former govt advisor) on trade diversion isn't supposed to be there
It's a hangover from the original backstop text missed in the legal scrub.0 -
Sounds shitpblakeney said:
Maybe they don't spend as much time on the internet.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?0 -
IME there is a certain amount of truth to this...Pross said:
Sounds censoredpblakeney said:
Maybe they don't spend as much time on the internet.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?
(he says, at work)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
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Never mind the interweb, its those of you spending time on the turbo rather than going into the office. According to Oliver Dowden minister for something or other.pblakeney said:
Maybe they don't spend as much time on the internet.elbowloh said:
How is productivity measured?TheBigBean said:
France is far more productive than the UK. What do they do in their hospitals? Also, modern hospitals are designed and built to be easier to clean, so there is some efficiency there.rjsterry said:
What will increase productivity? Automation is only applicable to a small section of low paid jobs. How do you increase productivity when cleaning hospitals?TheBigBean said:
The expetation is that it will increase productivity and the differential being higher earners and lower earners will reduce.rjsterry said:
It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.TheBigBean said:
I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.kingstongraham said:Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:
When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
How is France more productive when they have a shorter working week and have 2 hour lunch breaks or is that the secret?0 -
Did it include the rest of the world too?briantrumpet said:Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
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TheBigBean said:
Did it include the rest of the world too?briantrumpet said:Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
Not sure what your "it" is.0 -
Project Fear. Did it include forecasts of worldwide supply chain issues, record gas prices, inflation in the US, record shipping costs etc.?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Did it include the rest of the world too?briantrumpet said:Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
Not sure what your "it" is.0 -
Nope, I didn't panic buy nor did I say I was struggling as both times I've gone to get petrol since the panic buying started, I've got some. I bought enough to drop my kid at Liverpool uni the weekend before last, got home with a third of a tank and made it last until now when I was below a quarter full, which doesn't go very far in my car. And we're moving house soon, so it's for a reason. Try not to assume stuff before you post next timeddraver said:
YOU said you were struggling for petrol and went and panic bought some at the first oppourtunity...Stevo_666 said:
Didn't take long for you to jump in with that. A bit predictable. Bit short of petrol by any chance, or just thought you'd go in for some ransom sarcasm?ddraver said:This is the Sunlit Upland is it..?
Waiting for a text from a mate to fill up at a station with 'only' a 10 minute wait?
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I'm alright Jack - which is all that matters to you, no?
Also, where did this 'sunlit uplands' phrase come from? I've ever mentioned it. Sounds like some lazy Eurobollox to me, but please show me otherwise - if you can. Nearly as bad as the your misguided use of the 'I'm alright Jack', which is admittedly more lazy leftiebollox. But both apply here "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I thought LBC were Brexit cheerleaders?briantrumpet said:Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
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Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very like panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).0
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TheBigBean said:
Project Fear. Did it include forecasts of worldwide supply chain issues, record gas prices, inflation in the US, record shipping costs etc.?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Did it include the rest of the world too?briantrumpet said:Yeah. Before your very eyes. J O'B can be up himself, but this is what we are witnessing.
Not sure what your "it" is.
Fair point, though all these impacts seem to be amplified in the UK - maybe we have less resilience having needlessly restricted our options? No-one actually likes paying for insurance, but it's there for when TSHTF. We're in a SHTF period, and we've got no insurance policy.
But what O'Brien is referring to is how the Government is just blatantly rewriting history, and blaming everyone other than the choices they have made.0
