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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,576
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Here's one solution:

    https://thedorsetdairyco.com/fresh-milk/

    We launched our first 50L refills in 2020 and they are now making their way into independent businesses across Southern England. Designed and built by Dan himself, these sleek machines do not use any single-use plastic, unlike small pergal machines, and give smaller shops the opportunity to be pioneers in the refill revolution. We are all about innovation so watch this space for our next invention!


    Though I can't see why suitable equipment and cleaning regimes should prevent vending machines being refilled from one 'tanker'. If you knew the lengths farmers go to produce hyper-clean milk, despite the challenge of its sources not holding back their s**t and p*ss while they are milked, you'd know that pretty much anything is possible.
    You have to admire the marketing in suggesting you can 'gently' pasteurise anything. Good luck to them though. To get even more nerdy about it, there's a small exhibition at the Colyton end of the Seaton Tramway about the big dairy rail depot thing at Seaton Junction. It would upset the MP for West Dorset but even in the early 20th century milk was being moved in high volume to London.
    Did it get traded in London and then sent back to Dorset for the consumers to drink?
    I'd have to do more research but wouldn't be surprised. The really mad one is building a railway to ship watercress to London.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,388
    rick_chasey said:



    Yikes

    That really needs a follow-up of those who think it's a success, as to what they think is better, and how it's improved their lives, in material terms, so far.

    We don't seem to have managed a long list on BR, despite there being (or having been) more than one enthusiast.

    But, given that there are people in the US who think that Trump had a great success with his covid policy, and is actually still really president, maybe there are just more stupid or deluded people than we might hope for.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    edited October 2021
    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Here's one solution:

    https://thedorsetdairyco.com/fresh-milk/

    We launched our first 50L refills in 2020 and they are now making their way into independent businesses across Southern England. Designed and built by Dan himself, these sleek machines do not use any single-use plastic, unlike small pergal machines, and give smaller shops the opportunity to be pioneers in the refill revolution. We are all about innovation so watch this space for our next invention!


    Though I can't see why suitable equipment and cleaning regimes should prevent vending machines being refilled from one 'tanker'. If you knew the lengths farmers go to produce hyper-clean milk, despite the challenge of its sources not holding back their s**t and p*ss while they are milked, you'd know that pretty much anything is possible.
    You have to admire the marketing in suggesting you can 'gently' pasteurise anything. Good luck to them though. To get even more nerdy about it, there's a small exhibition at the Colyton end of the Seaton Tramway about the big dairy rail depot thing at Seaton Junction. It would upset the MP for West Dorset but even in the early 20th century milk was being moved in high volume to London.
    Did it get traded in London and then sent back to Dorset for the consumers to drink?
    I'd have to do more research but wouldn't be surprised. The really mad one is building a railway to ship watercress to London.
    I remember seeing that on some documentary (or maybe Countryfile). Was it from Hampshire somewhere where it is grown on the chalk streams?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Nature is healing, got petrol with only a ten minute wait from the petrol station just down the road.

    I seriously think that Facebook being down might have reduced the queue.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,388
    kingstongraham said:

    Nature is healing, got petrol with only a ten minute wait from the petrol station just down the road.

    I seriously think that Facebook being down might have reduced the queue.


    Well, obvs. They are all too busy pressing F5 trying to get Facebook to load.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,388
    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Here's one solution:

    https://thedorsetdairyco.com/fresh-milk/

    We launched our first 50L refills in 2020 and they are now making their way into independent businesses across Southern England. Designed and built by Dan himself, these sleek machines do not use any single-use plastic, unlike small pergal machines, and give smaller shops the opportunity to be pioneers in the refill revolution. We are all about innovation so watch this space for our next invention!


    Though I can't see why suitable equipment and cleaning regimes should prevent vending machines being refilled from one 'tanker'. If you knew the lengths farmers go to produce hyper-clean milk, despite the challenge of its sources not holding back their s**t and p*ss while they are milked, you'd know that pretty much anything is possible.
    You have to admire the marketing in suggesting you can 'gently' pasteurise anything. Good luck to them though. To get even more nerdy about it, there's a small exhibition at the Colyton end of the Seaton Tramway about the big dairy rail depot thing at Seaton Junction. It would upset the MP for West Dorset but even in the early 20th century milk was being moved in high volume to London.
    Did it get traded in London and then sent back to Dorset for the consumers to drink?
    I'd have to do more research but wouldn't be surprised. The really mad one is building a railway to ship watercress to London.
    Well, I think I was wrong about it bottled in Seaton. Seems like bulk milk went to dairies in London, though I can't see Seaton being mentioned here:

    https://svsfilm.com/nineelms/torr.htm

    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,388
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_railway_milk_trains
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,576
    edited October 2021
    briantrumpet said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_railway_milk_trains

    Glass lined tanker wagons. Which when you think about it is quite a thing. The Seaton Junction set up was run by Express Dairies.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,576
    Pross said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Here's one solution:

    https://thedorsetdairyco.com/fresh-milk/

    We launched our first 50L refills in 2020 and they are now making their way into independent businesses across Southern England. Designed and built by Dan himself, these sleek machines do not use any single-use plastic, unlike small pergal machines, and give smaller shops the opportunity to be pioneers in the refill revolution. We are all about innovation so watch this space for our next invention!


    Though I can't see why suitable equipment and cleaning regimes should prevent vending machines being refilled from one 'tanker'. If you knew the lengths farmers go to produce hyper-clean milk, despite the challenge of its sources not holding back their s**t and p*ss while they are milked, you'd know that pretty much anything is possible.
    You have to admire the marketing in suggesting you can 'gently' pasteurise anything. Good luck to them though. To get even more nerdy about it, there's a small exhibition at the Colyton end of the Seaton Tramway about the big dairy rail depot thing at Seaton Junction. It would upset the MP for West Dorset but even in the early 20th century milk was being moved in high volume to London.
    Did it get traded in London and then sent back to Dorset for the consumers to drink?
    I'd have to do more research but wouldn't be surprised. The really mad one is building a railway to ship watercress to London.
    I remember seeing that on some documentary (or maybe Countryfile). Was it from Hampshire somewhere where it is grown on the chalk streams?
    Yup. It's now run as a tourist attraction called the Watercress Line. Also the bit of St Pancras that is now full of shops was designed to store barrels of beer from Burton on Trent.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Statues will be built of the 27. Children will remember their names...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 781

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited October 2021
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    ddraver said:

    Statues will be built of the 27. Children will remember their names...

    Surprise surprise.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:


    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
    Every year you up the state retirement age gives you double bunce
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,609
    rick_chasey said:


    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
    Just need to find a country with a chronic shortage of old people and set up an exchange program.

  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    rick_chasey said:


    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
    You act as if there is no immigration currently. The question to you is do you want and exploitive immigration policy of come to the UK we will pay you little to do all the jobs a UK resident is priced out of on the basis that you will return once you have some cash after living in a shared house of 12 people in a three bed house. Or do you want an immigration system where everyone comes in can get a job that is sufficient in money that they can live a comfortable life in the UK and maybe even call it home. I want the later and I also want it structured so we gear up our infrastructure and public services to support this.

    Companies need to get on board and realise that they need to invest in capital to increase efficiency whilst training and supporting their workers as they don't have an infinite supply of labour.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Am I to understand that Brexit was about immigration after all
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    rick_chasey said:


    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
    Looking at your other posts you now appear to not understand efficiency.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Yes, but we're not supposed to say it out loud!!

    How is the British Governments attempt to drag NI back into the quagmire they've escaped going down over there?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:

    When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,576
    kingstongraham said:

    Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:

    When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
    As posted on the other thread, the biggest beneficiary of low paid foreign labour is HM Government. How are they going to square this new high wage economy with public sector pay control?
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    kingstongraham said:

    Nature is healing, got petrol with only a ten minute wait from the petrol station just down the road.

    I seriously think that Facebook being down might have reduced the queue.

    Ditto, just popped out this morning after a mate of mine drove past a station on the way to work and texted me to say it looked not bad. About a 10 min queue and no limit on what you could buy so shoehorned 50-odd litres of Super in, which will last me for a good while until people have calmed down a bit.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    This is the Sunlit Upland is it..?

    Waiting for a text from a mate to fill up at a station with 'only' a 10 minute wait?

    🤣
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    darkhairedlord said:

    rick_chasey said:


    So how do you solve this?



    The UK’s need for immigrant workers has been growing for years and is set to continue. Irreversible demographic forces mean that the ratio of older citizens to working age population will rise from three in 10 in 2019, to four in 10 by 2039. To keep the ratio stable, the UK would have to grow its working age population by 20% over the 20-year period, everything else being equal. Clearly, making it difficult for European neighbours of working age to come here makes matters worse.
    Looking at your other posts you now appear to not understand efficiency.
    You might have to spell this out for me.
    _
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,922
    kingstongraham said:

    Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:

    When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
    I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:

    When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
    I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.
    Sure, if you think cleaning, killing, caring and carting around are ripe for more automation.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    ddraver said:

    This is the Sunlit Upland is it..?

    Waiting for a text from a mate to fill up at a station with 'only' a 10 minute wait?

    🤣

    Didn't take long for you to jump in with that. A bit predictable. Bit short of petrol by any chance, or just thought you'd go in for some ransom sarcasm? :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,576
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Hugo Rifkind again in today's Times:

    When I hear Johnson say that he wants “a high skills, high wage economy”, I wonder who he envisages doing all the cleaning, killing, caring and carting around. You might say “British people, for more money” but that’s more “low-ish skills, high wage”, which is a completely different proposition.
    I imagine he envisages more automation due to the cost of hiring low skilled workers. It's amazing how much people want to resist this.
    It's not resisting paying people more. It's resisting the idea that restricting immigration will magically create all the money to fund this mass pay rise.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    This is the Sunlit Upland is it..?

    Waiting for a text from a mate to fill up at a station with 'only' a 10 minute wait?

    🤣

    Didn't take long for you to jump in with that. A bit predictable. Bit short of petrol by any chance, or just thought you'd go in for some ransom sarcasm? :)
    YOU said you were struggling for petrol and went and panic bought some at the first oppourtunity...

    I'm alright Jack - which is all that matters to you, no?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver

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