BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

I also recommend this article
Bit of longer read but worth the time

https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1445643175134052363?t=_6x1EJ4m3tDxCTrEAgV6uQ&s=19

It doesn't advocate the honesty box system so is clearly a non-starter.

tailwindhome

kingstongraham said:

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

Stevo_666 explained this last week

We're not d1cks like the South of England

Don't you all keep a few bottles of petrol in the house just for old times sake?

Always keep a stock in case a government needs overthrown

surrey_commuter

Pross said:

kingstongraham said:

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

Stevo_666 explained this last week

We're not d1cks like the South of England

Don't you all keep a few bottles of petrol in the house just for old times sake?

Nasty!

But very funny

Dorset_Boy

tailwindhome said:

kingstongraham said:

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

Stevo_666 explained this last week

We're not d1cks like the South of England

Don't you all keep a few bottles of petrol in the house just for old times sake?

Always keep a stock in case a government needs overthrown

Doesn't every house in NI keep a supply of molotov cocktails? Especially handy during the marching season.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

You have to have confidence that the extremists aren't the majority in the party.

Jezyboy

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

TheBigBean

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

Amongst economists, there are a range of views on the extent that the free market will solve everything. So, for example, most think that environmental protection is best done by the state. Think of surrey_commuter as one those that thinks the free market can solve everything except a shortage of truck drivers (that's the next level).

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Are they?

Good you acknowledge there are more issues on the way.

Where did I say the next issues were Brexit related?

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

I take it you have seen the news of HGV driver shortages both in Europe and elsewhere round the world? And the articles listing out the various reasons for the shortages, including COVID, retirements, worker conditions etc? Can you explain how those are caused by Brexit?

As to why this has impacted fuel more here, possibly down to the panic buying. It does appear that there is enough if people keep buying sensibly.

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

Stevo_666 explained this last week

We're not d1cks like the South of England

Quite possibly that as well. Seem to recall the the food and bog roll panic buying last year was more in the South East.

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

As always with Steven's nonsense I'm wondering if his responses would be the same if the headlines were reading "CORBYN POLICY RESULTS IN FUEL STORAGE"

Call me crazy, but I have a tinsey winsey suspicion they might not be

WTF are you on about?

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Yes, was hilarious getting my elderly mother in law back home to Bristol without a car. I'm not really interested in the causes, it's still a failure that basic supplies like fuel aren't available.

I think I mentioned above that the motorway and dual carriage service stations were prioritised for obvious reason, so there appeared to be no real issues and I certainly didn't have any on a roundtrip to and from Liverpool - filled up at a BP station on the M1 near Derby and about a 60 second wait to get to the pump. So you could do it.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

I take it you have seen the news of HGV driver shortages both in Europe and elsewhere round the world? And the articles listing out the various reasons for the shortages, including COVID, retirements, worker conditions etc? Can you explain how those are caused by Brexit?

As to why this has impacted fuel more here, possibly down to the panic buying. It does appear that there is enough if people keep buying sensibly.

Get back on message, the problems do exist, are caused by economic revival, and brexit is the reason we get the problems that the rest of the EU doesn't have because we are moving to a high wage economy instead of using unfettered immigration to paper over the cracks. It's not brexit's fault, it's a positive byproduct of the great brexit project.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

So why isn’t NI or the rest of the EU27 struggling with petrol?

I take it you have seen the news of HGV driver shortages both in Europe and elsewhere round the world? And the articles listing out the various reasons for the shortages, including COVID, retirements, worker conditions etc? Can you explain how those are caused by Brexit?

As to why this has impacted fuel more here, possibly down to the panic buying. It does appear that there is enough if people keep buying sensibly.

Get back on message, the problems do exist, are caused by economic revival, and brexit is the reason we get the problems that the rest of the EU doesn't have because we are moving to a high wage economy instead of using unfettered immigration to paper over the cracks. It's not brexit's fault, it's a positive byproduct of the great brexit project.

Now now, you're starting to look as sarcy as DDR who had a pop at me for doing exactly what you did the other day - the heinous crime of filling up my tank with petrol. Not that you did anything wrong, just wondering why he overlooked your supposed panic buying transgressions and 'I'm alright Jack' attitude?

kingstongraham

Getting a bit meta for me now. I feel like I'm being criticised either for ddraver saying something or for putting fuel in my car when I'd run out. Bit weird.

I'm just saying what the current line from the government is - the line that it's not a problem was a couple of weeks ago.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Getting a bit meta for me now. I feel like I'm being criticised either for ddraver saying something or for putting fuel in my car when I'd run out. Bit weird.

I'm just saying what the current line from the government is - the line that it's not a problem was a couple of weeks ago.

I'm supporting you on this one KG. Maybe DDR can explain his selective sniping?

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Getting a bit meta for me now. I feel like I'm being criticised either for ddraver saying something or for putting fuel in my car when I'd run out. Bit weird.

I'm just saying what the current line from the government is - the line that it's not a problem was a couple of weeks ago.

I'm supporting you on this one KG. Maybe DDR can explain his selective sniping?

I hope not.

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Are they?

Good you acknowledge there are more issues on the way.

Where did I say the next issues were Brexit related?

Where did I?

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

Amongst economists, there are a range of views on the extent that the free market will solve everything. So, for example, most think that environmental protection is best done by the state. Think of surrey_commuter as one those that thinks the free market can solve everything except a shortage of truck drivers (that's the next level).

I get that you are taking the mick but your last point makes no sense, it should read "especially the shortage of truck drivers"

around environmental protection a lot of the problem is around freeloading which could be seen as a market failing that needs Govt action

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

Amongst economists, there are a range of views on the extent that the free market will solve everything. So, for example, most think that environmental protection is best done by the state. Think of surrey_commuter as one those that thinks the free market can solve everything except a shortage of truck drivers (that's the next level).

I get that you are taking the mick but your last point makes no sense, it should read "especially the shortage of truck drivers"

around environmental protection a lot of the problem is around freeloading which could be seen as a market failing that needs Govt action

I think we disagree on the wording for truck drivers. For example, truck stops. Why should it be for governments and councils to provide these*? Why can't the free market club together and sort it out?

*I assume this is the current argument for their absences.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Yes, was hilarious getting my elderly mother in law back home to Bristol without a car. I'm not really interested in the causes, it's still a failure that basic supplies like fuel aren't available.

I think I mentioned above that the motorway and dual carriage service stations were prioritised for obvious reason, so there appeared to be no real issues and I certainly didn't have any on a roundtrip to and from Liverpool - filled up at a BP station on the M1 near Derby and about a 60 second wait to get to the pump. So you could do it.

Great to know in hindsight. Far from certain at the time.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Are they?

Good you acknowledge there are more issues on the way.

Where did I say the next issues were Brexit related?

Where did I?

Good, looks like we're agreed on this point.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).

Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?

Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.

In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.

Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.

Yes, was hilarious getting my elderly mother in law back home to Bristol without a car. I'm not really interested in the causes, it's still a failure that basic supplies like fuel aren't available.

I think I mentioned above that the motorway and dual carriage service stations were prioritised for obvious reason, so there appeared to be no real issues and I certainly didn't have any on a roundtrip to and from Liverpool - filled up at a BP station on the M1 near Derby and about a 60 second wait to get to the pump. So you could do it.

Great to know in hindsight. Far from certain at the time.

Depends when you were due to travel but it has been 'out there' since at least some time last week.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

Amongst economists, there are a range of views on the extent that the free market will solve everything. So, for example, most think that environmental protection is best done by the state. Think of surrey_commuter as one those that thinks the free market can solve everything except a shortage of truck drivers (that's the next level).

I get that you are taking the mick but your last point makes no sense, it should read "especially the shortage of truck drivers"

around environmental protection a lot of the problem is around freeloading which could be seen as a market failing that needs Govt action

I think we disagree on the wording for truck drivers. For example, truck stops. Why should it be for governments and councils to provide these*? Why can't the free market club together and sort it out?

*I assume this is the current argument for their absences.

in the short term I see it as Govt intereference stopping them from recruiting

surrey_commuter

Leading Brexiteer Lord Wolfson has an interesting idea to include market forces into our immigration policy. ake it illegal to pay immigrants less and have a 7% tax surcharge on all immigrants. His argument is that this would allow a better allocation of resources than a committee in Whitehall.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Here’s a question.

So say you’re a centrist Tory. BoJo gets hit by a bus or whatever.

You’re going to run for PM.

What’s your vision for the post Brexit Britain?

Assuming you’re neither a believer in revivalism or declination - what are you gonna do to make it work?

Firstly engineer a row with the extremists within the party so that you can do a Kinnock and remove the cancer, this will also free up a lot of seats to help get some proper talent into the Govt.

I would be tough on economic decline and tough on the causes of economic decline. I would reduce the role of the state. I would join the EEA. I would scrap council tax and stamp duty and replace it with a fiscally neutral annual tax on the value of every house.

I think you've been listening to too much taxpayers alliance.

Theres this fantasy that America is solely built on private enterprise. Silicon Valley is built on tech developed for the space age, which was very much a federally funded enterprise.

Amongst economists, there are a range of views on the extent that the free market will solve everything. So, for example, most think that environmental protection is best done by the state. Think of surrey_commuter as one those that thinks the free market can solve everything except a shortage of truck drivers (that's the next level).

I get that you are taking the mick but your last point makes no sense, it should read "especially the shortage of truck drivers"

around environmental protection a lot of the problem is around freeloading which could be seen as a market failing that needs Govt action

I think we disagree on the wording for truck drivers. For example, truck stops. Why should it be for governments and councils to provide these*? Why can't the free market club together and sort it out?

*I assume this is the current argument for their absences.

in the short term I see it as Govt intereference stopping them from recruiting

When the free market fails it is always the government's fault.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

Leading Brexiteer Lord Wolfson has an interesting idea to include market forces into our immigration policy. ake it illegal to pay immigrants less and have a 7% tax surcharge on all immigrants. His argument is that this would allow a better allocation of resources than a committee in Whitehall.

Given the stats that have just come out on the gender pay gap I would love to know how they expect to enforce this.

Horrendously nativist policy. Suddenly my entire family here in the UK becomes 7% more expensive to employ? How is that efficient, let alone morally acceptable?

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

Leading Brexiteer Lord Wolfson has an interesting idea to include market forces into our immigration policy. ake it illegal to pay immigrants less and have a 7% tax surcharge on all immigrants. His argument is that this would allow a better allocation of resources than a committee in Whitehall.

Less than what? The market salary inclusive of immigration?

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Leading Brexiteer Lord Wolfson has an interesting idea to include market forces into our immigration policy. ake it illegal to pay immigrants less and have a 7% tax surcharge on all immigrants. His argument is that this would allow a better allocation of resources than a committee in Whitehall.

Given the stats that have just come out on the gender pay gap I would love to know how they expect to enforce this.

Horrendously nativist policy. Suddenly my entire family here in the UK becomes 7% more expensive to employ? How is that efficient, let alone morally acceptable?

Not to mention massively increasing the NHS resourced budget with no alternative to those migrants. There simply aren't enough British doctors and nurses to staff it as it stands.