BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Its all about ideology, not what's best.rjsterry said:
So they're now doing near enough exactly what they told the logistics industry they absolutely couldn't do back in June. Except now the action is three months too late and they have created the panic.elbowloh said:Just today Boris has refused to rule out more temporary visas for HGV drivers to fix the current and future supply issues caused by a lack of HGV drivers
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I wish we could skip through the crisis to the inevitable government line that greedy HGV drivers are to blame for the empty shelves“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Bit behind the curve there mate.tailwindhome said:I wish we could skip through the crisis to the inevitable government line that greedy HGV drivers are to blame for the empty shelves
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Walked past the local petrol station earlier.
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To be fair, he didn't say which Christmas.
Though I'm a bit confused... what are we adjusting to? Shouldn't we be adjusting to much better everything (NHS, international trade and economy etc), given the promise of the Brexit prospectus?
Or is his 'period of adjustment' pretty much what was labelled as 'Project Fear' before? Is he admitting that everything is going pear-shaped, and we'd better just get used to it?0 -
Ugh. The sheer f***ing idiocy of the idea that businesses are all sitting on huge cash reserves that they have resisted paying to their staff all this time. And that a couple of difficult months will just magically gift us all a big pay rise and increased productivity.briantrumpet said:
To be fair, he didn't say which Christmas.
Though I'm a bit confused... what are we adjusting to? Shouldn't we be adjusting to much better everything (NHS, international trade and economy etc), given the promise of the Brexit prospectus?
Or is his 'period of adjustment' pretty much what was labelled as 'Project Fear' before? Is he admitting that everything is going pear-shaped, and we'd better just get used to it?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Ugh. The sheer f***ing idiocy of the idea that businesses are all sitting on huge cash reserves that they have resisted paying to their staff all this time. And that a couple of difficult months will just magically gift us all a big pay rise and increased productivity.briantrumpet said:
To be fair, he didn't say which Christmas.
Though I'm a bit confused... what are we adjusting to? Shouldn't we be adjusting to much better everything (NHS, international trade and economy etc), given the promise of the Brexit prospectus?
Or is his 'period of adjustment' pretty much what was labelled as 'Project Fear' before? Is he admitting that everything is going pear-shaped, and we'd better just get used to it?
Two months. Haha. You've got to admit that the bloke's a comedian.0 -
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
Because that is what the industry is saying is the difference.john80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
And as ever, higher wages without higher productivity is just inflation - that’s not economic growth.0
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Sounds suspiciously like something an expert would say.rick_chasey said:And as ever, higher wages without higher productivity is just inflation - that’s not economic growth.
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rick_chasey said:
And as ever, higher wages without higher productivity is just inflation - that’s not economic growth.
Well, given that pretty much everything Johnson is doing is socialist in essence now, he might as well do the job of the unions as well. If I remember rightly, the NUM asked for a 35% rise: I wonder what Johnson will give HGV drivers?
Seems to me he's pretty anti-business now too. (If you ignore the businesses who have cosied up to various Tory ministers.)0 -
The solution to the public buying 182% of the normal fuel volumes is to simply have enough drivers to supply 100% of the normal fuel volumes.john80 said:
I feel this has been explained above. Care to suggest your solution to the public buying 182% of the normal fuel volumes.Jezyboy said:If there's not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers, why are the army getting in on it?
The only reason the public is buying more fuel is because of panic that there isn't enough drivers to deliver fuel.0 -
They used to come over and live here so could work day or night shiftsjohn80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
Does anybody else think the army drivers will get offered the chance to double their salaries?1
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surrey_commuter said:
They used to come over and live here so could work day or night shiftsjohn80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.
Wasn't there something called 'Freedom of Movement', or something? Kinda made these things easier, as I remember.0 -
I don't understand this sentence.john80 said:The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions.
Are you saying better wages, terms and conditions were a barrier to foreign workers?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
That's funny. Fuel boss after fuel boss has been on saying they don't have a shortage of drivers. As always you know best though.rick_chasey said:
Because that is what the industry is saying is the difference.john80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.
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You get up every day and drive to the fuel depot. Pick up your truck and do your job then go home. Not really a job for a polish trucker is it when he has to rent a house locally to take the job. Your inability to understand how foreign workers typically work the UK market to their benefit is not my problem.tailwindhome said:
I don't understand this sentence.john80 said:The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions.
Are you saying better wages, terms and conditions were a barrier to foreign workers?0 -
BP literally said the opposite hence the panicjohn80 said:
That's funny. Fuel boss after fuel boss has been on saying they don't have a shortage of drivers. As always you know best though.rick_chasey said:
Because that is what the industry is saying is the difference.john80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
They just didn't in any great numbers drive fuel tankers. Stop pushing a false narrative.surrey_commuter said:
They used to come over and live here so could work day or night shiftsjohn80 said:
The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions. So if we cannot get an army guy who drives a tanker for the army to do it what makes you think the Polish guy is going to solve the problem.rick_chasey said:
So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
I think you don’t understand “foreign workers” and how they work.john80 said:
You get up every day and drive to the fuel depot. Pick up your truck and do your job then go home. Not really a job for a polish trucker is it when he has to rent a house locally to take the job. Your inability to understand how foreign workers typically work the UK market to their benefit is not my problem.tailwindhome said:
I don't understand this sentence.john80 said:The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions.
Are you saying better wages, terms and conditions were a barrier to foreign workers?
Some people chose to live here, you know. Not everyone is wedded to the motherland like you are0 -
I think he regards anyone outside of Cumbria as foreign.0
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If that is what you meant, that is what you should have written.john80 said:
You get up every day and drive to the fuel depot. Pick up your truck and do your job then go home. Not really a job for a polish trucker is it when he has to rent a house locally to take the job. Your inability to understand how foreign workers typically work the UK market to their benefit is not my problem.tailwindhome said:
I don't understand this sentence.john80 said:The fuel example is a bad one as we never had access to a foreign pool as delivery driving of fuel is a day or Nightshift job that is well paid and has good terms and conditions.
Are you saying better wages, terms and conditions were a barrier to foreign workers?
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