BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It's frightening that these people are actually allowed to control a vehicle.joe2019 said:0 -
Yeah, fine around here since about Wednesday. The petrol station across the road from me eventually ran out on Tuesday but was back running with no real queues on Wednesday then had another delivery yesterday.pblakeney said:I must be living in a parallel universe. I drove up to a pump in a garage at 09:15 this morning. Only half the garage being used. Filled up and left.
South East and London are still bad apparently so therefore, as when they have heavy snow, it is still a big story.0 -
TheBigBean said:
There's quite a lot between a command economy and a complete free market. The whole world occupies that space.rick_chasey said:
Survived the Cold War - planned economies did not.TheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
If anyone has any alternatives that are better I’d love to hear it.
It boils down to the same things.
Policies that exacerbate inequality, enacted by a party that then blames the inequality on foreigners.
Response to that is to impoverish the nation in a misguided attempt to create bargaining at the lower wage end of the labour market.
Instead it hampers everyone by creating a brittle economy that lacks resilience and so people instead bare the brunt.
I had to laugh one time when the farmer I worked for, a lifelong Conservative, proclaimed that he believed in "the free market with controls".0 -
5 years is disingenuous, Boris did not share the details of his oven ready deal until the 11th hour.TheBigBean said:
More than five years' notice with a one year transition period? The best defense they have is that they were too busy trying to survive covid to worry about Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
In a command economy surely it is up to the Govt to plan for and provide, vets, butchers, drivers etc?0 -
surrey_commuter said:
5 years is disingenuous, Boris did not share the details of his oven ready deal until the 11th hour.TheBigBean said:
More than five years' notice with a one year transition period? The best defense they have is that they were too busy trying to survive covid to worry about Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
In a command economy surely it is up to the Govt to plan for and provide, vets, butchers, drivers etc?
And his 'oven-ready deal' was no more than a three-word slogan soundbite. It had as much flesh to it as an absent pig-in-blanket.
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To be fair to the logistics industry, they did try to plan for it but as late as June were told by the government that they were crying wolf and their suggested strategies would the cause panic.surrey_commuter said:
5 years is disingenuous, Boris did not share the details of his oven ready deal until the 11th hour.TheBigBean said:
More than five years' notice with a one year transition period? The best defense they have is that they were too busy trying to survive covid to worry about Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
In a command economy surely it is up to the Govt to plan for and provide, vets, butchers, drivers etc?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
To be fair to the logistics industry, they did try to plan for it but as late as June were told by the government that they were crying wolf and their suggested strategies would the cause panic.surrey_commuter said:
5 years is disingenuous, Boris did not share the details of his oven ready deal until the 11th hour.TheBigBean said:
More than five years' notice with a one year transition period? The best defense they have is that they were too busy trying to survive covid to worry about Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
In a command economy surely it is up to the Govt to plan for and provide, vets, butchers, drivers etc?
It's unlike the Johnson Government to leave anything till the last possible moment before deciding to do something.0 -
Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.0
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Our village was owned by the Ismay family (White Star line) and is mainly terraces of three cottages. The gardens were shared. During WWI, each house was given a pig to rear and then use for food.ddraver said:This explains the two saddle back piggly wigglies loose in the lane on the way to work this morning.
Ah man, if if have known i'd have helped them out more. (Would make a great kids book...)0 -
If fuel sales are up 182% then that would suggest neither a shortage of fuel or deliveries.
A shortage of brain cells maybe.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Brexiteers panic buying undermining Brexit has a certain poetry“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!2
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If there's not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers, why are the army getting in on it?
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I expect it will settle down once the army are involved. By that I mean that I suspect they are being used as a psychological tool to convince people something is being done and so they will revert to more regular buying habits.0
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To supply fuel to fools.Jezyboy said:If there's not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers, why are the army getting in on it?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Who said there isn't a shortage of drivers? I thought everyone had been saying all week that there was a shortage of drivers, even a number of ministersjohn80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
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This is where it all started. BP warned there would be a shortage of fuel as there was a lack of hgv drivers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-586457120 -
Just today Boris has refused to rule out more temporary visas for HGV drivers to fix the current and future supply issues caused by a lack of HGV drivers0
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The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Sadly hasn't had much impact on London traffic levels.0
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That's cos they are all driving round trying to find petrol. 😉TheBigBean said:Sadly hasn't had much impact on London traffic levels.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No petrol anywhere between home and my parents' in Surrey today. I might actually need some in the next week or so.0
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No queue this week at our local costco. I'm a member as it's very close and the slightly cheaper petrol covers it.
Your costco may vary.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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So the shortage of lorry drivers isn’t exclusive to the UK, other EU nations have this, but they can dip into the wider labour pool (ie countries without a shortage) really easily as they are within the same market.john80 said:Trade body guy on the radio was stating that fuel sales over the weekend were 182% of normal. So given that there is not a shortage of fuel delivery drivers or fuel at depots as has been stated by the industry chiefs what's the plan cakestoppers. Should the government own as many trucks as the industry and have that many drivers to deliver fuel when the public are thick. Should fuel stations hold X times as much fuel to smooth the general publics stupidity. Should we as consumers pay for industry to have excess trucks and drivers on retainer. Or should we ask the consumer to take responsibility for their decision making.
UK no longer has easy access to that or any other labour pool - so they can’t draw on that pool of people easily when there is more shorter term demand spikes - longer term that’s less of an issue but not everything is about the long term.
That’s what I mean by brittle - lack of flexibility.
Eventually the Uk will adjust, but that will essentially be a type of “excess” resilience. The flexibility will return but at a literally higher price.0 -
Simple answer. Ask on here who is closest to you that has no problem.kingstongraham said:No petrol anywhere between home and my parents' in Surrey today. I might actually need some in the next week or so.
Your problem is, do you have enough to get out of the SE?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Loads of milk and honey there. The only problem is a surplus of unicorns and the unicorn farmers might have to cut them loose.rick_chasey said:Stevo to the rescue - tailgate him. Wherever he goes there’ll be no shortage of anything
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So they're now doing near enough exactly what they told the logistics industry they absolutely couldn't do back in June. Except now the action is three months too late and they have created the panic.elbowloh said:Just today Boris has refused to rule out more temporary visas for HGV drivers to fix the current and future supply issues caused by a lack of HGV drivers
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0
