BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It does show how brittle Brexit has made the UK. Anything out of the ordinary and there's absolutely no slack.0
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this is what my butcher said, there is a lack of people so they have to prioritise and PiB are time intensiverick_chasey said:
It is both it is also lack of people who can do the labour intensive food stuff like wrapping bacon around sausages.kingstongraham said:
I assume this as well. There was a pig farmer on the radio this morning with pigs that she can't get rid of because the processors (abattoirs) haven't got as much capacity as expected so there are welfare issues due to lack of space.elbowloh said:I don't think its a case of not having anyone to wrap bacon round sausages, but not having enough bacon or sausages, because we don't have enough butchers.
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Emma Duncan has a good article in The Times in which she argues it is a shift from a market economy to a planned economy. It turns out the market was very good at allocating resources to provide the goods and services that people wanted. It turns out that a civil servant allocating visas is not as efficient.rick_chasey said:It does show how brittle Brexit has made the UK. Anything out of the ordinary and there's absolutely no slack.
Yet focusing our fury on the performance of this particular bunch of clowns is to miss the wider import of the circus. If the government failed to anticipate the needs of business after Brexit that’s because anticipating business’s needs is not something the government is good at
and she even proposes a solution
Since we’re stuck with government control of migration, the best way forward would be for Whitehall to set a cap on the number of working visas; and, rather than asking civil servants to read market signals, do as Gary Becker, a Nobel prize-winning economist, advocated, and auction them to employers. That way we would maximise value to both business and society.0 -
I believe that I made that point earlier this week.rick_chasey said:It does show how brittle Brexit has made the UK. Anything out of the ordinary and there's absolutely no slack.
I was told things won't change. Best just live with it. Brilliant.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The thing which has nothing to do with Brexit is the point of Brexit
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The only solution is to elect a Govt that believes in a market economy.pblakeney said:
I believe that I made that point earlier this week.rick_chasey said:It does show how brittle Brexit has made the UK. Anything out of the ordinary and there's absolutely no slack.
I was told things won't change. Best just live with it. Brilliant.
But the bosses knew about these problems months ago and under the old system would have dealt with it. Under the new system they have to wait for the Govt to allocate resource to fix the problem. It seems that the new system is not as good but surely it must get better without reaching the efficiency of the old way.0 -
You. Don’t. Create. Prosperity. Through. Shortages.0 -
rick_chasey said:
You. Don’t. Create. Prosperity. Through. Shortages.
Indeed not.
But you do make some people rich.
Still, maybe the answer is to import lots of cheap US pork, which relies on cheap foreign labour from Mexico.
Ironic, eh? Or do I mean moronic?0 -
Is that Clive? I hope he still has time to do my 3 bird roast!surrey_commuter said:
this is what my butcher said, there is a lack of people so they have to prioritise and PiB are time intensiverick_chasey said:
It is both it is also lack of people who can do the labour intensive food stuff like wrapping bacon around sausages.kingstongraham said:
I assume this as well. There was a pig farmer on the radio this morning with pigs that she can't get rid of because the processors (abattoirs) haven't got as much capacity as expected so there are welfare issues due to lack of space.elbowloh said:I don't think its a case of not having anyone to wrap bacon round sausages, but not having enough bacon or sausages, because we don't have enough butchers.
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Surely the sensible thing is for us to each adopt a pig- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's a pity that they can't train the pigs to be HGV drivers.
Well, it's no more insane than thinking that making trading with Europe more difficult was going to be an economic success.0 -
I must be living in a parallel universe. I drove up to a pump in a garage at 09:15 this morning. Only half the garage being used. Filled up and left.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.0
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There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
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🤣surrey_commuter said:
The only solution is to elect a Govt that believes in a market economy.pblakeney said:
I believe that I made that point earlier this week.rick_chasey said:It does show how brittle Brexit has made the UK. Anything out of the ordinary and there's absolutely no slack.
I was told things won't change. Best just live with it. Brilliant.
But the bosses knew about these problems months ago and under the old system would have dealt with it. Under the new system they have to wait for the Govt to allocate resource to fix the problem. It seems that the new system is not as good but surely it must get better without reaching the efficiency of the old way.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It's very regional now, apparently. Petrol station nearest me got fuel last night for the first time this week, and there was a queue as far as I could see.pblakeney said:I must be living in a parallel universe. I drove up to a pump in a garage at 09:15 this morning. Only half the garage being used. Filled up and left.
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Result.pblakeney said:I must be living in a parallel universe. I drove up to a pump in a garage at 09:15 this morning. Only half the garage being used. Filled up and left.
It should be getting better unless everyone is burning all the extra stored petrol is being burned in the quest for more petrol
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See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
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Still same
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I wonder how much fuel has been burned in the quest to find fuel.
Never mind, the thought has passed....The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
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If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
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Survived the Cold War - planned economies did not.TheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
If anyone has any alternatives that are better I’d love to hear it.
It boils down to the same things.
Policies that exacerbate inequality, enacted by a party that then blames the inequality on foreigners.
Response to that is to impoverish the nation in a misguided attempt to create bargaining at the lower wage end of the labour market.
Instead it hampers everyone by creating a brittle economy that lacks resilience and so people instead bare the brunt.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
There maybe now, but I think that the Brexit project was merely a destructive one, and the planning went no further than the wrecking. That Thatcher's drive for freer markets and less government intervention has been wrecked by those who revere her, through their hatred of the EU, is mildly ironic.0 -
More than five years' notice with a one year transition period? The best defense they have is that they were too busy trying to survive covid to worry about Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
If I was going to switch to a command led economy I would plan for a transition periodTheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
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There's quite a lot between a command economy and a complete free market. The whole world occupies that space.rick_chasey said:
Survived the Cold War - planned economies did not.TheBigBean said:
Do you think the free market has covered itself in glory?surrey_commuter said:
See my post above, there is a plan to replace free market allocation of resources with Govt allocation of resources. It turns out that is not as efficient and we have ended up with shortages.briantrumpet said:
There. Was. No. Plan.verylonglegs said:You would have thought that all the long term Eurosceptic Tories who want to see the break up of the EU would have worked out that actually leaving it should involve making life outside of seem so much better. Yet these halfwits couldn't even be bothered to or were too stupid to work out how to do it.
If anyone has any alternatives that are better I’d love to hear it.
It boils down to the same things.
Policies that exacerbate inequality, enacted by a party that then blames the inequality on foreigners.
Response to that is to impoverish the nation in a misguided attempt to create bargaining at the lower wage end of the labour market.
Instead it hampers everyone by creating a brittle economy that lacks resilience and so people instead bare the brunt.0
