BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I thought much the same thing.pangolin said:
33% still blame the last labour government, which does make you question the rest of the figures.elbowloh said:
Simon Clarke MP says Brexit is not to blame.
The public seem to disagree.
If SteveO did that in the style of his online persona then he would be ticking Covid, the public, EU and Labour.0 -
I guess the question is is it ignorance or just hardline partisanship, like we see more frequently in the US?0
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rick_chasey said:
I guess the question is is it ignorance or just hardline partisanship, like we see more frequently in the US?
The latter, I'd say. At least with football tribalism, the fans will turn on the manager/team if things start going wrong, but in politics it seems to be that you just criticise everyone else and hope that they get worse if your own team is rubbish.0 -
You might well find some haulage firms have penalties for failure to deliver long term contracts. But again it must be the government's fault they can't avoid an obvious risk of Brexit. I can hear the wailing now about how they expect a plentiful supply of workers to maximise the profit in their pockets.kingstongraham said:
Those haulage businesses who are so busy they need more drivers? Why would they go under?john80 said:
I imagine giving cabotage to EU truckers whilst receiving nothing in return would be a deal breaker for a lot of voters. Particularly truckers who then would not see any of the local benefits of Brexit in mainly wage increases and better conditions due to a shortage of labour. As the German guy running for chancellor the other day said. Sort out your pay and working conditions and you won't have a shortage. Brexit has the potential to do for working people what no labour government has ever achieved on securing a living wage. Those businesses that can't should go under.tailwindhome said:
The EU didn't offer it because they didn't need to.TheBigBean said:
They did mention it during the negotiations. The EU didn't like it, because it was considered too much of a perk for a non-member even though it was in the interests of their drivers. The UK reciprocated the EU's position.tailwindhome said:Journalist on Times Radio with Matt Chorley complaining that no one mentioned haulage issues such as cabotage during the Brexit referendum campaign or during the negotiations
That my friends is how we got here
I mentioned this before.
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I've seen some people turning on Boris.
I think much like football the fans know their team dives, but manage to convince themselves that the others do more so, and infact the other teams bought that dirty play into the game.
The other odd thing about politics is that neither set of fans will ever take responsibility for not fixing something that could be blamed on the other team. So despite the fact that the tories have been on power for extremely long periods of time since the old age pension was introduced, tories can blame Labour for the sums no longer working...
On the other side, Thatcher will get blamed for tons of stuff, but (some) Labour fans will tend to overlook the Blair years for failing to fix this.
Alternatively the Labour fans will just claim that Blair was a mere continuation of Thatcher, that Corbyn was the second coming and the winner in 2017, conveniently ignoring his crushing defeat to someone who appears to be utterly unsuited to any office let alone PM.0 -
It's the customers of the haulage firms who will have the greater difficulty surely? Being able to sell as much of your service as you can provide is just good business. Sure, you could grow with more, but that's quite different to going under.john80 said:
You might well find some haulage firms have penalties for failure to deliver long term contracts. But again it must be the government's fault they can't avoid an obvious risk of Brexit. I can hear the wailing now about how they expect a plentiful supply of workers to maximise the profit in their pockets.kingstongraham said:
Those haulage businesses who are so busy they need more drivers? Why would they go under?john80 said:
I imagine giving cabotage to EU truckers whilst receiving nothing in return would be a deal breaker for a lot of voters. Particularly truckers who then would not see any of the local benefits of Brexit in mainly wage increases and better conditions due to a shortage of labour. As the German guy running for chancellor the other day said. Sort out your pay and working conditions and you won't have a shortage. Brexit has the potential to do for working people what no labour government has ever achieved on securing a living wage. Those businesses that can't should go under.tailwindhome said:
The EU didn't offer it because they didn't need to.TheBigBean said:
They did mention it during the negotiations. The EU didn't like it, because it was considered too much of a perk for a non-member even though it was in the interests of their drivers. The UK reciprocated the EU's position.tailwindhome said:Journalist on Times Radio with Matt Chorley complaining that no one mentioned haulage issues such as cabotage during the Brexit referendum campaign or during the negotiations
That my friends is how we got here
I mentioned this before.
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That's the hard-core brexit / Tory vote. None of the other options they were given were acceptable scape goats, apart from the EU who were blamed by 48%!pangolin said:
33% still blame the last labour government, which does make you question the rest of the figures.elbowloh said:
Simon Clarke MP says Brexit is not to blame.
The public seem to disagree.0 -
I was on a site for a major building supplies company recently to look at parking / safety issues they were getting with deliveries. I suggested there wasn't really an engineering solution and that it would be better dealth with through a management plan for deliveries. They said they already had a plan that the haulage companies had to sign up to in order to get the contract but it was being ignored. They couldn't sanction the haulage firm though as they wouldn't get their supplies.john80 said:
You might well find some haulage firms have penalties for failure to deliver long term contracts. But again it must be the government's fault they can't avoid an obvious risk of Brexit. I can hear the wailing now about how they expect a plentiful supply of workers to maximise the profit in their pockets.kingstongraham said:
Those haulage businesses who are so busy they need more drivers? Why would they go under?john80 said:
I imagine giving cabotage to EU truckers whilst receiving nothing in return would be a deal breaker for a lot of voters. Particularly truckers who then would not see any of the local benefits of Brexit in mainly wage increases and better conditions due to a shortage of labour. As the German guy running for chancellor the other day said. Sort out your pay and working conditions and you won't have a shortage. Brexit has the potential to do for working people what no labour government has ever achieved on securing a living wage. Those businesses that can't should go under.tailwindhome said:
The EU didn't offer it because they didn't need to.TheBigBean said:
They did mention it during the negotiations. The EU didn't like it, because it was considered too much of a perk for a non-member even though it was in the interests of their drivers. The UK reciprocated the EU's position.tailwindhome said:Journalist on Times Radio with Matt Chorley complaining that no one mentioned haulage issues such as cabotage during the Brexit referendum campaign or during the negotiations
That my friends is how we got here
I mentioned this before.
I don't see anyone cancelling a haulage contract at the moment because the company isn't fulfilling their contract as the customer needs them more than they need the customer. That could eventually change and cost them in the long term when contracts are being renewed but I don't see it being a problem any time soon.1 -
Harsh, but fair.Jezyboy said:...quite the schpeel...
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You'd think so but the Tories managed the incredible trick of attracting Labour voters at the last election by basically getting them to believe that the woes of the country were Labour's fault as if they'd been running the country for the previous 10 years. For all the incompetence that election strategy was a work of genius.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:I guess the question is is it ignorance or just hardline partisanship, like we see more frequently in the US?
The latter, I'd say. At least with football tribalism, the fans will turn on the manager/team if things start going wrong, but in politics it seems to be that you just criticise everyone else and hope that they get worse if your own team is rubbish.0 -
I still can't get over the masterful strategy that resulted in Hartlepool voting Conservative this year with vox pops saying that things were stuck in a rut and they needed a change.Pross said:
You'd think so but the Tories managed the incredible trick of attracting Labour voters at the last election by basically getting them to believe that the woes of the country were Labour's fault as if they'd been running the country for the previous 10 years. For all the incompetence that election strategy was a work of genius.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:I guess the question is is it ignorance or just hardline partisanship, like we see more frequently in the US?
The latter, I'd say. At least with football tribalism, the fans will turn on the manager/team if things start going wrong, but in politics it seems to be that you just criticise everyone else and hope that they get worse if your own team is rubbish.0 -
Hartlepool also voted a man in a monkey suit as mayor for 3 consecutive terms...0
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Interesting theory on NI
The NI Protocol makes no difference to fuel supply, but people believed it did and didn't panic buy - so there were no fuel shortages“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
who in his first term failed to deliver on his main pledge of a free banana per day for every school pupilmonkimark said:Hartlepool also voted a man in a monkey suit as mayor for 3 consecutive terms...
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On a basic level if you are no longer part of the UK you could see why you would not react to members of the UK Govt telling you not to panic.tailwindhome said:Interesting theory on NI
The NI Protocol makes no difference to fuel supply, but people believed it did and didn't panic buy - so there were no fuel shortages0 -
Not unless they are Irish.ddraver said:Can an EU Citizen work in NI without a work visa...?
That never came up in TSS Training.1 -
Unfair - he did make sure every kid got a choice of free fruit every day. And got re-elected twice until finally leaving when the post as abolished.surrey_commuter said:
who in his first term failed to deliver on his main pledge of a free banana per day for every school pupilmonkimark said:Hartlepool also voted a man in a monkey suit as mayor for 3 consecutive terms...
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stop faffing around in independent delis and go to a proper supermarket like Sainsburyrick_chasey said:Sainos near me, which is a big one > out of all spaghetti.
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Let them eat taglietellerick_chasey said:Sainos near me, which is a big one > out of all spaghetti.
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What is it with Brits and panic buying pasta???rick_chasey said:Sainos near me, which is a big one > out of all spaghetti.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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kids love it, is very versatile and lasts forever.ddraver said:
What is it with Brits and panic buying pasta???rick_chasey said:Sainos near me, which is a big one > out of all spaghetti.
strange thing is that panic buying must consist of buying one extra packet0 -
No doubt someone (probably John) will be over to say that we need to get a grip and that eating british meat and two veg supports working class farmers, and we need to stop buying stuff from Italy, so Brexit is working.0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Lobbyists not campaigning onxa shortage of lobbyists then?0
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I am probably spending a bit too much time in you head for your optimum mental health. Might want to think about that.rick_chasey said:No doubt someone (probably John) will be over to say that we need to get a grip and that eating british meat and two veg supports working class farmers, and we need to stop buying stuff from Italy, so Brexit is working.
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OK so imagine you’re Rishi and your civil servant gives you this brief:
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/10/02/how-to-revive-britains-stockmarket
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