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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    rjsterry said:

    I think that's largely in your head.

    Not mine. It's pretty apparent from his posts above.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    It's possible to make the best of what's there (which everyone has to) and also think there can be improvements.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    It's ironic that the loudest whinging is coming (still) from the Tory back benches.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    tailwindhome said:

    It's ironic that the loudest whinging is coming (still) from the Tory back benches.

    Don't forget the DUP.
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  • tailwindhome
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    elbowloh said:

    tailwindhome said:

    It's ironic that the loudest whinging is coming (still) from the Tory back benches.

    Don't forget the DUP.
    In fairness they're whinging because they've got their worst outcome.

    The ERG got what they wanted, voted for it, did a lap of honour and are still whinging

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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    tailwindhome said:

    elbowloh said:

    tailwindhome said:

    It's ironic that the loudest whinging is coming (still) from the Tory back benches.

    Don't forget the DUP.
    In fairness they're whinging because they've got their worst outcome.

    The ERG got what they wanted, voted for it, did a lap of honour and are still whinging

    A totally foreseeable one though.

  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    I would like to report some good news.

    UK exports of goods to non EU countries were up £200m in January
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    The report says that is from an increase of £300m in pharmaceutical exports, particularly to China and Japan, and attributes it to the UK singapore deal. Does that make sense, I thought that was a roll over?

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
    Well when I wrote (quoted above)

    “ Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?”

    You wrote

    “ What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....”

    Now, I was referring to the trade deal which the Uk is looking to renegotiate, not rejoining the EU.

    Hence me suggesting you’re not understanding what I’m writing, as you thought I was referring to something else.

    My point, to avoid confusion, was that the Uk is not even 3 whole months into the trade deal and it is already making noises that it is not fit for British purpose and so wants to renegotiate.

    This leads me to believe even the govt thinks it’s not a success.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
    Well when I wrote (quoted above)

    “ Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?”

    You wrote

    “ What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....”

    Now, I was referring to the trade deal which the Uk is looking to renegotiate, not rejoining the EU.

    Hence me suggesting you’re not understanding what I’m writing, as you thought I was referring to something else.

    My point, to avoid confusion, was that the Uk is not even 3 whole months into the trade deal and it is already making noises that it is not fit for British purpose and so wants to renegotiate.

    This leads me to believe even the govt thinks it’s not a success.
    I made the point that there is no rejoining in the foreseeable so save your energy for something else. You seem to be pinning your hopes on talks about some of the mechanics of the arrangement which is hardly likely to drag us back into the EU. Which is the one thing which will ever make you happy on this issue - sorry to disappoint.

    Hopefully you're not so naive as to think nothing would ever change?

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    edited March 2021
    ddraver said:


    More value added contribution from our favourite customs inspector. Part of what I do work-wise is running a customs department - fancy being one of my minions? You could probably get a decent salary if you did ;)
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
    Well when I wrote (quoted above)

    “ Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?”

    You wrote

    “ What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....”

    Now, I was referring to the trade deal which the Uk is looking to renegotiate, not rejoining the EU.

    Hence me suggesting you’re not understanding what I’m writing, as you thought I was referring to something else.

    My point, to avoid confusion, was that the Uk is not even 3 whole months into the trade deal and it is already making noises that it is not fit for British purpose and so wants to renegotiate.

    This leads me to believe even the govt thinks it’s not a success.
    I made the point that there is no rejoining in the foreseeable so save your energy for something else. You seem to be pinning your hopes on talks about some of the mechanics of the arrangement which is hardly likely to drag us back into the EU. Which is the one thing which will ever make you happy on this issue - sorry to disappoint.

    Hopefully you're not so naive as to think nothing would ever change?

    We can all see the point you were making; just wondering how it's in any way relevant to a conversation about attempts to subvert the TCA and NIP.

    Literally the only person who keeps bringing up rejoining is you.
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    Given the u turn is Boris's signature move, can we really rule out rejoining 😆
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
    Well when I wrote (quoted above)

    “ Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?”

    You wrote

    “ What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....”

    Now, I was referring to the trade deal which the Uk is looking to renegotiate, not rejoining the EU.

    Hence me suggesting you’re not understanding what I’m writing, as you thought I was referring to something else.

    My point, to avoid confusion, was that the Uk is not even 3 whole months into the trade deal and it is already making noises that it is not fit for British purpose and so wants to renegotiate.

    This leads me to believe even the govt thinks it’s not a success.
    It makes you wonder what they got wrong

    Maybe they thought all these legally binding agreements were just words and everybody would make practical decisions and life would continue as before.

    They had no idea what they were doing

    They are campaigners so the only objective was to get a deal and worry about the problems another day
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.

    I can see why you want people to 'move on'

    There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.

    Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.

    Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
    Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?
    What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....
    No, the way in which we left.
    I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.
    We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.
    Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
    Explain then. Beats condescension every time.
    Well when I wrote (quoted above)

    “ Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?”

    You wrote

    “ What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....”

    Now, I was referring to the trade deal which the Uk is looking to renegotiate, not rejoining the EU.

    Hence me suggesting you’re not understanding what I’m writing, as you thought I was referring to something else.

    My point, to avoid confusion, was that the Uk is not even 3 whole months into the trade deal and it is already making noises that it is not fit for British purpose and so wants to renegotiate.

    This leads me to believe even the govt thinks it’s not a success.
    I made the point that there is no rejoining in the foreseeable so save your energy for something else. You seem to be pinning your hopes on talks about some of the mechanics of the arrangement which is hardly likely to drag us back into the EU. Which is the one thing which will ever make you happy on this issue - sorry to disappoint.

    Hopefully you're not so naive as to think nothing would ever change?

    We can all see the point you were making; just wondering how it's in any way relevant to a conversation about attempts to subvert the TCA and NIP.

    Literally the only person who keeps bringing up rejoining is you.
    Yep, Steve has missed Rick's point again. It's Boris and his cronies who are trying to renegotiate the existing deal, no one is taking about rejoining.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    surrey_commuter said:

    .

    They had no idea what they were doing

    The entirety of Johnson's life has been backroom discussions, nods and winks and chums. "Fa Fa waah, what house were you in at Eton? Wankstein? Ah did you know Nobber Jenkins? Spiffing chap eh? So...you'll just look the other way over this "little issue" in Northern Ireland waah"

    It is perhaps not so surprising that the concept of "truth" and "rules" being the same today as they were yesterday is such a totally alien concept for him.

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436




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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,352
    One can only assume they are trying to scupper the protocol in its entirety. This is too provocative to be a "Oh, sorry, can't we do that?" 'misstep'.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    briantrumpet said:

    One can only assume they are trying to scupper the protocol in its entirety. This is too provocative to be a "Oh, sorry, can't we do that?" 'misstep'.

    That said, they folded on their previous threat and every other threat before that, so a last minute climbdown seems at least a possibility.

    Certainly seems unlikely that Stevo will get his wish: Johnson seems intent on keeping this in the news.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    They aren't legislating to break the agreement now, just ignoring it. I don't know what happens then
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    Jezyboy said:

    Given the u turn is Boris's signature move, can we really rule out rejoining 😆

    Hope is always the last thing to die ;)
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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,350
    Jezyboy said:

    Given the u turn is Boris's signature move, can we really rule out rejoining 😆

    i can see the headlines in the mail/express: eu surrenders and joins uk, johnson declares victory
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited March 2021
    Raab said: “The most overt political threat to the agreement and ultimately the Good Friday agreement has been the politicised way the EU has gone about things.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/17/dominic-raab-us-must-robust-eu-undermines-northern-ireland-peace/
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Should look within his own party, as Gove is quite happy to tear it up.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    Should look within his own party, as Gove is quite happy to tear it up.

    he said that a long time ago have you checked he still holds those views?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Should look within his own party, as Gove is quite happy to tear it up.

    he said that a long time ago have you checked he still holds those views?
    Yeah he said a few years ago he's happy there is peace but was deeply unhappy with both the negotiation and the actual agreement.

    If it wasn't for the threat of terrorism and to peace (ironically, given the reason he puts forward for not liking the agreement), he would absolutely renegotiate.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Should look within his own party, as Gove is quite happy to tear it up.

    he said that a long time ago have you checked he still holds those views?
    Yeah he said a few years ago he's happy there is peace but was deeply unhappy with both the negotiation and the actual agreement.

    If it wasn't for the threat of terrorism and to peace (ironically, given the reason he puts forward for not liking the agreement), he would absolutely renegotiate.
    that at least seems consistent with believing in sovereignty of the UK rather than a stick with which to hit the EU.

    If he and others care about the UK then the Tories problems are only just beginning as I suspect many of them would throw NI over the side to get a purer Brexit

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