BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Both sides knew that there would be issues with the ni protocol, it's not possible to have no border anywhere and also borders.
Until the UK’s diverging from EU standards, it's not a big deal, but I get the feeling the uk government won't make tbose commitments, because otherwise we may as well have stayed in some of the structures.
But I don't know what the EU can do about it.
It's like one of those apprentice tasks where you can get a good result by being cheap but terrible, as long as you don't need any ongoing good reputation.0 -
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.
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Too busy battling HR 😏1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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UK delays import checks - due to start in July, now Jan 2022.0
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But none of that matters.surrey_commuter said:
Brussels will continue you to be the perpetual war in 1984 to distract from local problems.pblakeney said:The idea that Brexit is a completed deal is quite funny.
The emphasis is on the word "deal".
We were not thrown out, we chose to leave and then we chose to leave on the hardest possible terms then as a separate sovereign state we voluntarily negotiated, agreed and signed up to the terms of our departure and future relationship.
Days later as the downsides become apparent who is to blame?
Accountability is not relevant and we should all just look forwards.
Or maybe not...
Maybe we should move forwards and seek opportunities because it is done but we should also be holding those to account who either failed to execute or made knowingly false promises.
The current government have a clear policy of silencing and subverting criticism of their corruption. As a loyal servant, Stevo makes the case for turning a blind eye.0 -
Some would just argue the UK wants to do what is in its self interest much the same as any state within the EU has been doing for decades. It used to be just French farmers and fishermen blocking ports and Germany doing anything to boost its exports. Now they have the Eastern states doing stuff around abortion and are as corrupt as anyone. The wheel are a bit shaky on the unity front. Remember self interest is always running.rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.0 -
UK's self interest would be to rejoin the customs union and single market.1
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I think this is your self interest but never mind.kingstongraham said:UK's self interest would be to rejoin the customs union and single market.
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I am in the UK, so yes.john80 said:
I think this is your self interest but never mind.kingstongraham said:UK's self interest would be to rejoin the customs union and single market.
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Sorry, should have been clearer - it would be in the interest of the UK for the REST of the UK to rejoin the customs union and single market.0
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No reason why we would not be looking after our own interests which does raise an interesting point of are there obvious areas the EU negotiators ballsed up that we could use as leverage?john80 said:
Some would just argue the UK wants to do what is in its self interest much the same as any state within the EU has been doing for decades. It used to be just French farmers and fishermen blocking ports and Germany doing anything to boost its exports. Now they have the Eastern states doing stuff around abortion and are as corrupt as anyone. The wheel are a bit shaky on the unity front. Remember self interest is always running.rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.0 -
Maybe not leverage as as such, but we've already seen that the EU is also bound by the NI Protocol and can't restrict goods coming from the EU to the UK without triggering Article 16.surrey_commuter said:are there obvious areas the EU negotiators ballsed up that we could use as leverage?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
When you say "also", what do you mean?tailwindhome said:
Maybe not leverage as as such, but we've already seen that the EU is also bound by the NI Protocol and can't restrict goods coming from the EU to the UK without triggering Article 16.surrey_commuter said:are there obvious areas the EU negotiators ballsed up that we could use as leverage?
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What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Good news for EU exports.kingstongraham said:UK delays import checks - due to start in July, now Jan 2022.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's nice of us to acknowledge in a tangible way how they need us more than we need them etc.tailwindhome said:
Good news for EU exports.kingstongraham said:UK delays import checks - due to start in July, now Jan 2022.
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I do like the view of the USA that as long as there was no Irish land border it will be all good. They seem to have forgot the other side of the idiot brigade that have a problem with an Irish sea by order. If they had a brain the would have spent more time pushing the EU for a technology based system with spot checking.0
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Something we can agree on.Stevo_666 said:Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done
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No, the way in which we left.Stevo_666 said:
What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It is not the view of the USA it is the view of the Irish lobby and I imagine they think it is going swimmingly.john80 said:I do like the view of the USA that as long as there was no Irish land border it will be all good. They seem to have forgot the other side of the idiot brigade that have a problem with an Irish sea by order. If they had a brain the would have spent more time pushing the EU for a technology based system with spot checking.
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So, the new Turing scheme is not a reciprocal scheme.
The government expects overseas universities to waive fees for UK students, but the UK will not host overseas students in return.
Hmm, that's an attractive proposition.
It also doesn't cover teachers and youth workers that were covered under Erasmus.0 -
I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.rjsterry said:
No, the way in which we left.Stevo_666 said:
What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I didn't say for whobriantrumpet said:
Something we can agree on.Stevo_666 said:Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.Stevo_666 said:
I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.rjsterry said:
No, the way in which we left.Stevo_666 said:
What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Because Rick still doesn't seem to be able to accept it. He's not alone to be fair.rjsterry said:
We're all aware of that. The bleeding obvious. Really not sure why you keep going back to it.Stevo_666 said:
I know, but as I said above, we have left and we're not going back in the foreseeable. If there are changes to the detail that's one thing but it doesn't change the point above.rjsterry said:
No, the way in which we left.Stevo_666 said:
What, renegotiate to rejoin? News to me....rick_chasey said:
Are you not reading the reports that suggest the UK already wants to renegotiate?Stevo_666 said:
There's not a lot of choice here Rick, unless you can get your hands on a time machine.rick_chasey said:Cakeism is absolutely fundamental to both yours and the gov't's position Stevo.
I can see why you want people to 'move on'
Unfortunately the decision has been made, the deed has been done, we are not going back anytime in the foreseeable and you are still sitting here producing evidence from Twitter or wherever to show how terrible this all is, while most of us have moved on.
Ever heard of the saying 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? To add to the rather relevant spilt milk analogy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think that's largely in your head.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
