BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Its pretty clear that he wasn't a bot or whatever some people were making out. When you say 'tools', what do you mean Ben?Ben6899 said:surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I firmly believe that he was a made up character he was well researched and so gave you a synopsis of what the batshit crazeys thought about any given subjectveronese68 said:
No, Mr37 posts good technical answers to workshop questions. The simple one never posted anything useful that I saw.darkhairedlord said:
I thought he was coopsterPross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.
All the tools are available on this forum, to see that Coopster - regrettably - is not a made-up entity."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Stevo_666 said:
Its pretty clear that he wasn't a bot or whatever some people were making out. When you say 'tools', what do you mean Ben?Ben6899 said:surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I firmly believe that he was a made up character he was well researched and so gave you a synopsis of what the batshit crazeys thought about any given subjectveronese68 said:
No, Mr37 posts good technical answers to workshop questions. The simple one never posted anything useful that I saw.darkhairedlord said:
I thought he was coopsterPross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.
All the tools are available on this forum, to see that Coopster - regrettably - is not a made-up entity.
Oh nothing whizz. "Search"Ben
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You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?0 -
If you put up a wall around a city with no doors in it, ladder makers will thrive.
Thanks for reading my analogy.0 -
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OK, just wondered if I was missing a trick.Ben6899 said:Stevo_666 said:
Its pretty clear that he wasn't a bot or whatever some people were making out. When you say 'tools', what do you mean Ben?Ben6899 said:surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I firmly believe that he was a made up character he was well researched and so gave you a synopsis of what the batshit crazeys thought about any given subjectveronese68 said:
No, Mr37 posts good technical answers to workshop questions. The simple one never posted anything useful that I saw.darkhairedlord said:
I thought he was coopsterPross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.
All the tools are available on this forum, to see that Coopster - regrettably - is not a made-up entity.
Oh nothing whizz. "Search""I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?0 -
More so under fascism.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?0 -
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?0 -
We all saw this coming. Well not all, just under half.rick_chasey said:
bUt BrExIt WiLl RaIsE eNvIrOnMeNtAL sTaNdArDs0 -
perfect description of brexit, johnson's chums make out of it, most of the uk population pays moredavid37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
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It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?2 -
Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?0
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You mean due to rules of origin or as part of the economy? On the latter question, I read that services to the EU is less than 5% and goods a bit more. No idea on the first question.kingstongraham said:Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?
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Around 42% according to this:kingstongraham said:Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/#:~:text=A%20surplus%20of%20%C2%A383,to%20the%20EU%20in%202019."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Bizarrely I anticipated a niggle from you so added the second half of the sentence. Next time I will write the bit intended for you first.TheBigBean said:
It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?0 -
Sentence structure doesn't change the veracity.surrey_commuter said:
Bizarrely I anticipated a niggle from you so added the second half of the sentence. Next time I will write the bit intended for you first.TheBigBean said:
It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?0 -
Are you sure? Even by Boris standards of ineptitude that is badStevo_666 said:
Around 42% according to this:kingstongraham said:Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/#:~:text=A%20surplus%20of%20%C2%A383,to%20the%20EU%20in%202019.0 -
Whilst I am happy to add a brief line for your benefit I really can not be bothered to write my posts as if they are a legal document rather than an online bike forum.TheBigBean said:
Sentence structure doesn't change the veracity.surrey_commuter said:
Bizarrely I anticipated a niggle from you so added the second half of the sentence. Next time I will write the bit intended for you first.TheBigBean said:
It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?0 -
I misread the point - thought it was about what percentage of the UKs exports were services - which is 42%. However BB's point about you labouring the point over services being 80% of the economy when they are a much lower % of our exports to the EU still stands.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure? Even by Boris standards of ineptitude that is badStevo_666 said:
Around 42% according to this:kingstongraham said:Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/#:~:text=A%20surplus%20of%20%C2%A383,to%20the%20EU%20in%202019."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I should imagine that is what Boris said about the bus. Your 80% is really very similar.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I am happy to add a brief line for your benefit I really can not be bothered to write my posts as if they are a legal document rather than an online bike forum.TheBigBean said:
Sentence structure doesn't change the veracity.surrey_commuter said:
Bizarrely I anticipated a niggle from you so added the second half of the sentence. Next time I will write the bit intended for you first.TheBigBean said:
It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?
But yes, it would be nice if FS were included, but the EU didn't want that.
On a different note, UK exchanges will shortly be able to trade Swiss shares. Switzerland is also on the naughty step at the moment.0 -
Alternate facts innit.0
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FFS how much accuracy do you think I need?
As a précis, David37 is accusing me of delusions of intellectual grandeur in thinking that services are not included in the EU-UK FTA... ie how can I think that I know something that nobody else does.
Bearing that in mind and taking it as a starting point exactly how much time and effort do you think I should put into my posts?0 -
The way the Swiss get jerked around is a lesson for us and one we seem to be heeding by not accepting rules that can be pulled with 30 days notice.TheBigBean said:
I should imagine that is what Boris said about the bus. Your 80% is really very similar.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I am happy to add a brief line for your benefit I really can not be bothered to write my posts as if they are a legal document rather than an online bike forum.TheBigBean said:
Sentence structure doesn't change the veracity.surrey_commuter said:
Bizarrely I anticipated a niggle from you so added the second half of the sentence. Next time I will write the bit intended for you first.TheBigBean said:
It's been pointed out to you before that 80% is a misrepresentation. Are you doing a Boris?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t agree with your analysis, can you give some examples.david37 said:
You do realise that most financial change means a small number of people benefiting at others expense? thats how it works in all systems. Especially communism.surrey_commuter said:
You have the wrong person- I never said that.david37 said:
I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
Change happens but this is an unnecessary change for the worse. Far more people will gain than lose.
Govt screwing up on rules of origin is not vacuous.
Anyway have you realised services aren’t included yet?
Are you ready to talk about the FTA not covering 80% of the UK economy and more importantly the big we have a huge surplus in?
But yes, it would be nice if FS were included, but the EU didn't want that.
On a different note, UK exchanges will shortly be able to trade Swiss shares. Switzerland is also on the naughty step at the moment.0 -
So on the "what is the strategy post-brexit" question, there's a lot to agree with in this approach and assessment.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/brexit-uk-should-aim-to-be-a-global-broker-not-a-great-power-says-report
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Thanks, so it doesn't cover the 42% that is services - that's a larger number than I expected, to be honest.Stevo_666 said:
Around 42% according to this:kingstongraham said:Is there a new estimate of what proportion of the exports to the EU it actually does cover? With the knowledge gained since it came into force?
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/#:~:text=A%20surplus%20of%20%C2%A383,to%20the%20EU%20in%202019.
The other bit is what proportion of the 58% does it turn out not to cover?0 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Oi hands off our sausages and scotch eggs you lanky stoners!ddraver said:Welcome to Brexit sir, I'm sorry! 👌
This is clearly an economic decision to make us buy their bitterballen and frikandel on arrival.0 -
I do struggle with the Guardian and think that all of it's articles could do with editing but this one could have ended after the first 15 words (for TBB I counted the hyphen as one word but am entirely open to count it as two and so should read "first 16 words")rick_chasey said:So on the "what is the strategy post-brexit" question, there's a lot to agree with in this approach and assessment.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/brexit-uk-should-aim-to-be-a-global-broker-not-a-great-power-says-report
Britain will fail if it seeks to reincarnate itself after Brexit as a mini-great power0
