BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.0 -
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.0 -
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).0 -
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:0 -
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:0 -
I am sure there is a reason why he can't put a few pallets in transit vans at the factory and drive them to their EU stores but I can't see it.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
If I were younger and richer then I think the long talked about Brexit opportunity is going to be wholesale as you can import single good loads rather than the end supplier buying locally in the EU0 -
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).1 -
Absolutely, opportunities abound.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure there is a reason why he can't put a few pallets in transit vans at the factory and drive them to their EU stores but I can't see it.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
If I were younger and richer then I think the long talked about Brexit opportunity is going to be wholesale as you can import single good loads rather than the end supplier buying locally in the EU1 -
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/brexit-deal-trade-remove-tariffs-rules-of-origin
So this article explains it better than me.But in order for an exported product to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, it must have either been wholly obtained, or been subject to a significant amount of processing, in the EU or UK. Or to put it another way, the EU-UK TCA only benefits goods that can legitimately claim to have been made in the EU or UK. These so-called rules of origin are not uncommon and can be found in near-every free trade agreement.
This means that if your business model involves importing large quantities of clothes from Indonesia into the UK, and then selling them to shops across the EU, then tariffs might now be levied twice: when the clothes enter the UK, and then again when they enter the EU. The clothes are Indonesian, not British or EU originating, after all.
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The big question is whether it is worth the effort for British retaliers to bother with Ireland given the additional complexity. Of course, there are solutions, but do they provide returns.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure there is a reason why he can't put a few pallets in transit vans at the factory and drive them to their EU stores but I can't see it.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
If I were younger and richer then I think the long talked about Brexit opportunity is going to be wholesale as you can import single good loads rather than the end supplier buying locally in the EU
It is worth moaning about in case it influences the Joint Committee and something for NI changes.0 -
If they'd known what the deal was before Xmas, they might have been able to do something earlier.0
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In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.0 -
John is too blinded by his partisanship to twig the irony or Ineos moving production of their "Bootiful British Car" to the EU but then find another company pulling the rug out from under a site they own in exactly the same fashion...surrey_commuter said:
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:
https://youtu.be/BIu7D0HmpNc
can't say I'm familiar with that particular ditty but seemed fun...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I mentioned upthread inward processing relief for goods that are imported, processed in some way then re-exported. If it is just a straight buy in UK and sell to the EU with no 'processing' involved then you bring them into a bonded warehouse in the UK and export to the EU directly from that order warehouse. For customs purposes those goods never legally enter the UK, so the duty is only paid once - on entry to the EU.rick_chasey said:https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/brexit-deal-trade-remove-tariffs-rules-of-origin
So this article explains it better than me.But in order for an exported product to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, it must have either been wholly obtained, or been subject to a significant amount of processing, in the EU or UK. Or to put it another way, the EU-UK TCA only benefits goods that can legitimately claim to have been made in the EU or UK. These so-called rules of origin are not uncommon and can be found in near-every free trade agreement.
This means that if your business model involves importing large quantities of clothes from Indonesia into the UK, and then selling them to shops across the EU, then tariffs might now be levied twice: when the clothes enter the UK, and then again when they enter the EU. The clothes are Indonesian, not British or EU originating, after all."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Possibly because he realised that there is a world beyond the EU and there are low cost locations out there where good profits can be made? Not exactly new, we've all known about the likes of Indian call centres for ages.surrey_commuter said:
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I never mentioned the EU but now you mention it isn’t that where France is?Stevo_666 said:
Possibly because he realised that there is a world beyond the EU and there are low cost locations out there where good profits can be made? Not exactly new, we've all known about the likes of Indian call centres for ages.surrey_commuter said:
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:0 -
I never bought into the link between Jim Radcliffe being pro brexit and believing it would benefit Britain. I always felt he was primary interested in his pounds and pence. Good for you in thinking he had a higher motive and I can see why you are so butt hurt.ddraver said:
John is too blinded by his partisanship to twig the irony or Ineos moving production of their "Bootiful British Car" to the EU but then find another company pulling the rug out from under a site they own in exactly the same fashion...surrey_commuter said:
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:https://youtu.be/BIu7D0HmpNc
can't say I'm familiar with that particular ditty but seemed fun...0 -
I'm talking generally, rather than about this specific instance.surrey_commuter said:
I never mentioned the EU but now you mention it isn’t that where France is?Stevo_666 said:
Possibly because he realised that there is a world beyond the EU and there are low cost locations out there where good profits can be made? Not exactly new, we've all known about the likes of Indian call centres for ages.surrey_commuter said:
Jim believes in the sunlit uplands of Brexit so why would he make more money offshoring anything?john80 said:
When Jim moves his operations to eastern Europe and makes more money who exactly will be the b1tch.ddraver said:
Karma's a b1tch, eh Jim?rick_chasey said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Aren't warehouses somewhat oversubscribed already at the moment? By the way, bonded warehouses are the one bit of customs I know about on account of them forming some pretty significant landmarks where I grew up. That and my grandfather was a Customs inspector.Stevo_666 said:
I mentioned upthread inward processing relief for goods that are imported, processed in some way then re-exported. If it is just a straight buy in UK and sell to the EU with no 'processing' involved then you bring them into a bonded warehouse in the UK and export to the EU directly from that order warehouse. For customs purposes those goods never legally enter the UK, so the duty is only paid once - on entry to the EU.rick_chasey said:https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/brexit-deal-trade-remove-tariffs-rules-of-origin
So this article explains it better than me.But in order for an exported product to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, it must have either been wholly obtained, or been subject to a significant amount of processing, in the EU or UK. Or to put it another way, the EU-UK TCA only benefits goods that can legitimately claim to have been made in the EU or UK. These so-called rules of origin are not uncommon and can be found in near-every free trade agreement.
This means that if your business model involves importing large quantities of clothes from Indonesia into the UK, and then selling them to shops across the EU, then tariffs might now be levied twice: when the clothes enter the UK, and then again when they enter the EU. The clothes are Indonesian, not British or EU originating, after all.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This, its just change and thats what happens all the time. Sure some will lose and whine others will make the most of the opportunity and win. Spread the wealth. Quite why the lefty liberals have an aversion to this is beyond me. (other than dogma that is)darkhairedlord said:
Absolutely, opportunities abound.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure there is a reason why he can't put a few pallets in transit vans at the factory and drive them to their EU stores but I can't see it.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
If I were younger and richer then I think the long talked about Brexit opportunity is going to be wholesale as you can import single good loads rather than the end supplier buying locally in the EU
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I know you've said when i have a different opinion to you that you feel like it's a personal atttack but your point is vaccuous. Sure some will lose out but some will win. Flexibility and change is at the core of business.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to UK traders they have only just found out what the new rules are and had been assured by their politicians that they would have the same or better access to the EU.darkhairedlord said:
Clearly we are no longer in the EU. Therefore any business that wants to stay competitive should look at changing their business model. There is no point moaning about how hard it is to movecgoods from the eu to the uk, then back out to the EU. We left the EU 11 months ago ffs.rick_chasey said:
Distribution hubs innit.surrey_commuter said:
why ship to GB when you are manufacturing in the EU?rick_chasey said:
Another autarky fan?darkhairedlord said:
Another one for the positives. M&S can make them in the UK or NI.kingstongraham said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/08/percy-pigs-in-ireland-hit-by-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffs
These are British Percy Pigs made in Germany, for British M&S stores. It's right they can't go to Ireland.
That's the point a lot of the specialists are making.
The deals like canada etc are all very well but they're not designed for goods to fly in and back out of the UK.
That's what's proving challenging, as in those situations tariffs do apply.
(this is if I've understood correctly).
The best brains the UK could assemble failed to grasp the significance of rules of origin so what hoped do the hundreds of thousands of SMEs have of working that out? I have less sympathy with M&S but does back up my point that people will not appreciate the SM until we leave.
It always has been. Brexit is another change and opportunity point. in life there are always losers. one needs only to look at the posts in here to realise that.
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A bonded warehouse is not necessarily a standalone 'special' warehouse operated by third parties - although clearly it can be. It is more defined by the systems it has in place (and is audited periodically by HMRC to certify they are up to scratch). So if you have a warehouse then you can have a bonded warehouse. We have a couple of this type and they are totally 'in-house'.rjsterry said:
Aren't warehouses somewhat oversubscribed already at the moment? By the way, bonded warehouses are the one bit of customs I know about on account of them forming some pretty significant landmarks where I grew up. That and my grandfather was a Customs inspector.Stevo_666 said:
I mentioned upthread inward processing relief for goods that are imported, processed in some way then re-exported. If it is just a straight buy in UK and sell to the EU with no 'processing' involved then you bring them into a bonded warehouse in the UK and export to the EU directly from that order warehouse. For customs purposes those goods never legally enter the UK, so the duty is only paid once - on entry to the EU.rick_chasey said:https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/brexit-deal-trade-remove-tariffs-rules-of-origin
So this article explains it better than me.But in order for an exported product to qualify for tariff-free trade under the terms of the EU-UK TCA, it must have either been wholly obtained, or been subject to a significant amount of processing, in the EU or UK. Or to put it another way, the EU-UK TCA only benefits goods that can legitimately claim to have been made in the EU or UK. These so-called rules of origin are not uncommon and can be found in near-every free trade agreement.
This means that if your business model involves importing large quantities of clothes from Indonesia into the UK, and then selling them to shops across the EU, then tariffs might now be levied twice: when the clothes enter the UK, and then again when they enter the EU. The clothes are Indonesian, not British or EU originating, after all."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
There is in ours. And this will likely be a temporary problem as supply and demand adjust.ddraver said:(but yeah, there's no space in current bonded/customs warehouses either)
The example given by RC is of an operation that likely buys and sells in fairly large quantities so they will likely have a warehouse facility. As explained above, this means they can have a bonded warehouse. This point was fairly well known though the Brexit process by companies that deal with this sort of thing as it was on our plans for a long time."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not so worried about not having hanging baskets this Summer, but Belgian beer and chocolate to become significantly more expensive.
I mean, wtf?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-55592161
A major tick in the win column."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Whilst I firmly believe that he was a made up character he was well researched and so gave you a synopsis of what the batshit crazeys thought about any given subjectveronese68 said:
No, Mr37 posts good technical answers to workshop questions. The simple one never posted anything useful that I saw.darkhairedlord said:
I thought he was coopsterPross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.
All the tools are available on this forum, to see that Coopster - regrettably - is not a made-up entity.Ben
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I for one looking forward to replacing my favorite imported wheat beers with badger, carling, John smiths and watneys party seven.blazing_saddles said:Not so worried about not having hanging baskets this Summer, but Belgian beer and chocolate to become significantly more expensive.
I mean, wtf?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-55592161
A major tick in the win column.3 -
Nope, they're our dedicated spaces which have enough capacity to cater for fluctuations in stock levels etc and we're not in the business of renting out warehouse facilities to third parties.ddraver said:Do you rent your spare space to others..?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
