BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Rick are you being serious or is this a wind up?rick_chasey said:Why people want this I will never understand
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It's an illustration, obviously. The other example I've seen is shipping a mixed pallet of animal feed to NI. There are lots of others. Shipping a small mixed consignments between EU and the UK used to be a trivial consideration. It's now uneconomic. It's not an insurmountable problem but will need another layer of middle men/wholesalers and an associated cost to overcome it. Whether this means that small Italian delis will be replaced by Italian supermarkets, I don't know.loltoride said:
Rick are you being serious or is this a wind up?rick_chasey said:Why people want this I will never understand
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Going to very niche Italian restaurants was/is a big hobby of mine.
Can bore the tits off anyone about this in London.
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The war's lost. I'm sure I'll p1ss and moan constantly over the next few months while the amount of beaurocracy and paperwork load me and the business down before it becomes the new norm. It's definitely stifled certain plans we had in mainland Europe.rick_chasey said:Speaking of strategy if you’re remain what’s the strategy you take?
I guess you spend your time lobbying for closer integration on various issues and piecemeal make your way towards a Norway scenario?
The massive downsides for me personally was never worth sovereignty. That's not the case for others which I accept.0 -
I'd be interested if there is anyone on here who is directly going to have to put up with the extra bureaucracy who thinks it's worth it.
It's easy to say it's worth someone else's time.0 -
Best summation of the new problems for businesses, especially on a bike forum, is 'the aggregation of marginal hassles'rick_chasey said:
Thought that was neat...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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No, it's pointing out the obvious about the reliability of long term forecasts in complex systems. And the influence of other variables.surrey_commuter said:
And you wonder why people don’t bother posting you links, no matter how good the source you will just career off at an obtuse angle in a desperate attempt to maintain the illusion that nothing bad will come of BrexitStevo_666 said:
I wanted to see your source.surrey_commuter said:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gdp/failure-to-get-brexit-trade-deal-would-wipe-extra-2-off-uk-output-obr-idUSKBN285209Stevo_666 said:
Still haven't seen them. Link to your source please.surrey_commuter said:
OBR and Andrew BaileyStevo_666 said:
So am I. Don't recall seeing any forecasts like that.surrey_commuter said:Dorset_Boy said:
Don't think he's saying 4% pa though, just 4% in total which is obviously massively different.rick_chasey said:Where’s SC to talk about compound rates
Yes he is,
He is saying the economy will be 4% smaller in year 15, so will have been 3.75% smaller in year 14.
We are already 2.5% smaller so the compounded loss would far surpass the Covid losses.
Let’s assume 0.5% of UK economy is £ the cumulative loss is;
Year 1 = £10bn
Year 2 = £20bn
Year 3 = £40bn
Year 4 = £80bn
Year 5 = £160bn
Year 6 =
That is so horrific I am doubting my maths.
If this involves extrapolation of forecasts over a period beyond which forecasting is khown to be vaguely accurate then I'm sure you know my views on that already.
This is publicly available information and really would have been quicker for you to Google than write that sentence.
No mention of specific timescales other than 'the long run'. And we all know about the accuracy of long range forecasts. No mention of other possible compensation given a times (which are equally hard to forecast accurately the long run). So I will give it the appropriate weighting.
Although I didn't say how much weight I had given it...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's more like it Rick. A positive strategy.rick_chasey said:Speaking of strategy if you’re remain what’s the strategy you take?
I guess you spend your time lobbying for closer integration on various issues and piecemeal make your way towards a Norway scenario?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Thanks but in the grand scheme of things its not a great problem I have worked in logistics going on 20 years now and of course Brexit has been a big thing for the industry. To date I am not aware of any of our clients being severely affected by the change in processes starting from Jan 21. I would go as far as saying that the International shippers processes will not change very much other than adding more country's to there export or import processes. The biggest changed I have seen in the UK is the growth in Domestic Shipments B2B and the investments we have been making to facilitate this and we don't make short term investments even the ones we get wrong.rjsterry said:
It's an illustration, obviously. The other example I've seen is shipping a mixed pallet of animal feed to NI. There are lots of others. Shipping a small mixed consignments between EU and the UK used to be a trivial consideration. It's now uneconomic. It's not an insurmountable problem but will need another layer of middle men/wholesalers and an associated cost to overcome it. Whether this means that small Italian delis will be replaced by Italian supermarkets, I don't know.loltoride said:
Rick are you being serious or is this a wind up?rick_chasey said:Why people want this I will never understand
The point I am trying to make is that most companies will restructure and get by unfortunately some will not.So Far!0 -
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Well sure. But let's not pretend this is some massive boost for business. Let's at least be honest about what this sovereignty has cost us.loltoride said:
Thanks but in the grand scheme of things its not a great problem I have worked in logistics going on 20 years now and of course Brexit has been a big thing for the industry. To date I am not aware of any of our clients being severely affected by the change in processes starting from Jan 21. I would go as far as saying that the International shippers processes will not change very much other than adding more country's to there export or import processes. The biggest changed I have seen in the UK is the growth in Domestic Shipments B2B and the investments we have been making to facilitate this and we don't make short term investments even the ones we get wrong.rjsterry said:
It's an illustration, obviously. The other example I've seen is shipping a mixed pallet of animal feed to NI. There are lots of others. Shipping a small mixed consignments between EU and the UK used to be a trivial consideration. It's now uneconomic. It's not an insurmountable problem but will need another layer of middle men/wholesalers and an associated cost to overcome it. Whether this means that small Italian delis will be replaced by Italian supermarkets, I don't know.loltoride said:
Rick are you being serious or is this a wind up?rick_chasey said:Why people want this I will never understand
The point I am trying to make is that most companies will restructure and get by unfortunately some will not.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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"Britain is insular, maritime, bound up by its trade, its markets, its food supplies, with the most varied and often the most distant countries. Her activity is essentially industrial and commercial, not agricultural. She has, in all her work, very special, very original, habits and traditions. In short, the nature, structure, circumstances peculiar to England are very different from those of other continentals. How can Britain,
in the way that she lives, produces, trades, be incorporated into the Common Market as it has been conceived and functions?"“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's only the reference to the Common Market that confirms that wasn't written in the 19th century.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Deal gets the thumbs up from the ERG
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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You can criticise me for a lot but I do, when I feel strongly, try to find time to put my own efforts in, however trivial.Stevo_666 said:
That's more like it Rick. A positive strategy.rick_chasey said:Speaking of strategy if you’re remain what’s the strategy you take?
I guess you spend your time lobbying for closer integration on various issues and piecemeal make your way towards a Norway scenario?
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He needs to jolly well cheer up and grasp the opportunitiesddraver said:But we're supposed to tell him it's all alright and it's not his fault, correct?
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Eels are hard to grasp at the best of timessurrey_commuter said:
He needs to jolly well cheer up and grasp the opportunitiesddraver said:But we're supposed to tell him it's all alright and it's not his fault, correct?
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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which of course is purely discriminatory yet seemingly acceptable for the purposes of entertainment.ballysmate said:Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.
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Are you suggesting Italian restaurants prefer to hire Italian chefs to cook Italian food just because they're discriminatory?david37 said:
which of course is purely discriminatory yet seemingly acceptable for the purposes of entertainment.ballysmate said:Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.
You don't think they're more likely to be good at cooking that food?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It’s a funny niche that I’ve always found interesting.pangolin said:
Are you suggesting Italian restaurants prefer to hire Italian chefs to cook Italian food just because they're discriminatory?david37 said:
which of course is purely discriminatory yet seemingly acceptable for the purposes of entertainment.ballysmate said:Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.
You don't think they're more likely to be good at cooking that food?
Foreign cuisine always served by immigrants of same origin. Whilst a certain gravity of employment makes sense, it goes contrary to equal opportunities and yet, if you went to an Indian restaurant staffed entirely by white British, you’d question the authenticity.
Grey areas huh. Like the French feminist employing too many women.0 -
I think if it was entirely on merit (which of course it isn't) then the chefs would probably be 80% or so from that region, and the rest random others who had bothered to learn it well enough.morstar said:
It’s a funny niche that I’ve always found interesting.pangolin said:
Are you suggesting Italian restaurants prefer to hire Italian chefs to cook Italian food just because they're discriminatory?david37 said:
which of course is purely discriminatory yet seemingly acceptable for the purposes of entertainment.ballysmate said:Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.
You don't think they're more likely to be good at cooking that food?
Foreign cuisine always served by immigrants of same origin. Whilst a certain gravity of employment makes sense, it goes contrary to equal opportunities and yet, if you went to an Indian restaurant staffed entirely by white British, you’d question the authenticity.
Grey areas huh. Like the French feminist employing too many women.
Servers is harder to argue. I suppose you want to feel like they're giving you good advice.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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To be fair, in London at least the number of restaurants prior to Covid had become unsustainable. We can’t expect them all to survive in what has always been a super-competitive market, Brexit or not.0
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/boris-is-a-kipper-fury-and-frustration-at-brexit-fishing-deal-in-brixham
Lots of gloomy quotes from fisherman.Brixham-born Sean Irvine, 61, who has been fishing from the port since the early 1990s, said he was glad, at least, that there had been a deal but he is concerned about the new paperwork that will be needed to send fish to mainland Europe – as much as 80% of Irvine’s catch is exported.
“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same water as the French but we’ll have to produce a mountain of paperwork for it. It seems to me what we have achieved is minuscule when you think of the upsets it has caused in families and communities. All that effort for so little.”0 -
You may jest but in America the Girl Scouts are upset that The Boy Scouts became The Scouts, went inclusive and are now "stealing" girls from the Girl Scouts.morstar said:
Grey areas huh. Like the French feminist employing too many women.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
rick_chasey said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/boris-is-a-kipper-fury-and-frustration-at-brexit-fishing-deal-in-brixham
Lots of gloomy quotes from fisherman.Brixham-born Sean Irvine, 61, who has been fishing from the port since the early 1990s, said he was glad, at least, that there had been a deal but he is concerned about the new paperwork that will be needed to send fish to mainland Europe – as much as 80% of Irvine’s catch is exported.
“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same water as the French but we’ll have to produce a mountain of paperwork for it. It seems to me what we have achieved is minuscule when you think of the upsets it has caused in families and communities. All that effort for so little.”
I couldn't wrap my head around the Brixham crowd baying for a No-Deal Brexit right up till it was signed, despite knowing who buys most of their fish. In the circumstances, I'm not going to cry over their having to do more paperwork.0
