BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    This is the type of stuff that gets really fun though...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    ddraver said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:



    Let’s hope this isn’t right.

    Here’s the gov page: https://www.gov.uk/taking-goods-out-uk-temporarily

    I can see how they’ve arrived at that conclusion but it seems bonkers?! Surely can’t be right.
    The most amazing thing about the whole Brexit debate is the extent to which people ignore the world outside the EU. Do tourists from all over the world spend time and money buying carnets for their mobile phones and laptops on a trip to the EU? No. So why would people from the UK suddenly need them?

    Well yes I had the same thought process. That’s why I figured it wasn’t right. Hence “surely can’t be right”

    So explain to me the gov page that accounts for that?
    You're allowed to import the duty free allowance (£395). That excludes things you will export in the case of visitors, or have previously exported and are now returning in the case of residents.

    The customs officer can challenge whether you will actually export the items, so someone turning up with 20 new iPhones may attract attention. In this case, the officer could demand that you pay duty on the phones and then reclaim it on departure. That's a bit of a pain, so if you are in the business of travelling with 20 new phones which you intend to export (e.g. you play expensive dominos), you may choose to invest in a carnet in advance.

    I think the carnet guarantees the duty will be paid or it may confirm that you already owned it so are able to reimport it or both. It's not my specialist area of knowledge.

    So, all up, the only time anyone normal runs into a carnet is for a car, and even then it is in a limited number of countries. Some people said expensive musical instruments may also need them.

    Perhaps the forum's new customs officer can confirm.
    A carnet is for stuff you already own that you're taking out, but also bringing back. A touring band for example with all it's instruments being an example de jour. 20 new iPhones man will have to show he's brought 20 new iPhones back.

    But also think exhibitions, conferences, Art galleries etc.

    It's to check that you didn't try and avoid duty or any other restrictions by moving your expensive goods out of a country and then selling them in another.

    (The proper name being 'entering goods into a Customs Freight Special Procedure (CFSP), in this case Temporary Admission - to use them requires an awful lot of paperwork, a financial guarantee, is time-limited etc. - in other words, you need a reasonably priced I'm sure, Customs Agent to sort it for you...)
    This is from wikipedia. Isn't this exactly what I wrote? (Prior to consulting wikipedia)

    The ATA Carnet, often referred to as the "Passport for goods", is an international customs document that permits the tax-free and duty-free temporary export and import of nonperishable goods for up to one year. It consists of unified Customs declaration forms which are prepared ready to use at every border crossing point. It is a globally accepted guarantee for Customs duties and taxes which can replace security deposit required by each Customs authorities. It can be used in multiple countries in multiple trips up to its one-year validity. The acronym ATA is a combination of French and English terms "Admission Temporaire/Temporary Admission." The ATA carnet is now the document most widely used by the business community for international operations involving temporary admission of goods.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Is it not what I wrote..?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    ddraver said:

    Is it not what I wrote..?

    Possibly, but this is the internet so I assumed you were disagreeing with me!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Ah, no. Just giving more background...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • loltoride
    loltoride Posts: 460
    rjsterry said:

    loltoride said:

    rjsterry said:

    loltoride said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Why people want this I will never understand


    Well sure. But let's not pretend this is some massive boost for business. Let's at least be honest about what this sovereignty has cost us.

    I am certainly not claiming that as we are all going into the unknown and not sure how it is going to end up. Although I have every confidence in all of us (UK) making this work its not as if we have a choice.

    So Far!
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Is this forum so Anglo centric that there is no mention of the issues that affect our brethren from north of the border, namely seed potatoes.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brexit-scottish-minister-pledges-fight-seed-potato-exporters-3080955

    Utterly bizarre.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Why is this bizarre?
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  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    ballysmate said:

    Is this forum so Anglo centric that there is no mention of the issues that affect our brethren from north of the border, namely seed potatoes.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brexit-scottish-minister-pledges-fight-seed-potato-exporters-3080955

    Utterly bizarre.

    😂😂
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    Am I missing something? £15 million pounds worth of sales for SME's isn't something to be laughed about.

    Yes, it is small potatoes (excuse the pun) in the grand scheme of things but it is still peoples lively hoods that are being affected.

    At least be gracious in victory.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    rick_chasey said:

    Why is this bizarre?

    This from a man who found the undue emphasis on the fishing industry perplexing. ;)
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a crap about them.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    skyblueamateur said:

    Am I missing something? £15 million pounds worth of sales for SME's isn't something to be laughed about.

    Yes, it is small potatoes (excuse the pun) in the grand scheme of things but it is still peoples lively hoods that are being affected.

    At least be gracious in victory.

    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I presume that you both think I voted for Brexit?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    I have been pondering the seemingly incomprehensible decision of the EU exporting eel man voting Brexit.

    I think it is all down to the legendary EU red tape. He blamed the EU for the red tape that stoped him exporting to non-EU countries so voted for Brexit and now has red tape on all non-UK sales.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    ballysmate said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Am I missing something? £15 million pounds worth of sales for SME's isn't something to be laughed about.

    Yes, it is small potatoes (excuse the pun) in the grand scheme of things but it is still peoples lively hoods that are being affected.

    At least be gracious in victory.

    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I presume that you both think I voted for Brexit?
    That doesn't really matter does it? I don't go through life looking at things with such a binary view.

    Which ever way you voted I don't find it bizarre or funny that businesses will be worse off and potentially putting people's jobs at risk regardless of the size. Be that Covid, brexit or economic related.
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    surrey_commuter said:

    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.
    OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    ballysmate said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Am I missing something? £15 million pounds worth of sales for SME's isn't something to be laughed about.

    Yes, it is small potatoes (excuse the pun) in the grand scheme of things but it is still peoples lively hoods that are being affected.

    At least be gracious in victory.

    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I presume that you both think I voted for Brexit?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    ballysmate said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Why is this bizarre?

    This from a man who found the undue emphasis on the fishing industry perplexing. ;)
    You might have to spell it out for me. I really don’t understand your point.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    surrey_commuter said:

    I have been pondering the seemingly incomprehensible decision of the EU exporting eel man voting Brexit.

    I think it is all down to the legendary EU red tape. He blamed the EU for the red tape that stoped him exporting to non-EU countries so voted for Brexit and now has red tape on all non-UK sales.

    You might be right but, again, it's not the sort of thing that stands up to a google searches worth of scrutiny, which is why I'm struggling with the whole "Be the bigger man" stuff a little...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    If you enjoy a good remainer rant/breakdown , Ian Dunt's twitter feed's the place to be today.
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  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    tailwindhome said:

    If you enjoy a good remainer rant/breakdown , Ian Dunt's twitter feed's the place to be today.

    He really is having a breakdown isn't he? 😁
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    tailwindhome said:

    If you enjoy a good remainer rant/breakdown , Ian Dunt's twitter feed's the place to be today.


    Haha - very sad and funny at the same time - thanks.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    He's not wrong here though




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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2020
    tailwindhome said:

    He's not wrong here though




    Bit naive to think people care if politicians directly contradict what they said in parliament earlier.

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    He's live tweeting the parliamentary debate, the break downs are not if his making....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    tailwindhome said:

    He's not wrong here though





    The only way this unites the Tory Party is if they undo all the agreed tariff-free access over the next four years and go full-on IDS/Mogg/Farage. Every bit of the 'deal' is going to be endlessly litigated, given that the deal is inherently dynamic.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Looks like he also needs some buyers for that book he wrote :)
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    shortfall said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    elbowloh said:

    So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?

    Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.

    I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.
    OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.
    Go on then, give me an example
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rick_chasey said:

    https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/

    Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.

    The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.

    Basically this I think is the reality

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