BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Because of Brexit?TheBigBean said:Some news today:
- UK attacts record venture capital investment in tech firms in 2020. More than the rest of Europe combined
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Take a step back lads. Cancel Brexit because a high end restaurant can't get a specific small bit of cheese from an obscure French producer for their cheese board. I am off to start a restaurant food supply business where I import food such as this and then distribute it to restaurants. This business model can't possibly exist can it.2
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I am going to ignore you because I refuse to believe that you do not understand the issue.TheBigBean said:
Except for the rest of the world which seems to cope.surrey_commuter said:
The problem with mixed consignments seems to be a recurring theme.rick_chasey said:Did you read it?
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Being outside the EU perhaps explains why there are no Italian restaurants in New York. Oh... er... hang on a min...rick_chasey said:Why people want this I will never understand
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I thought it was a good article and as I mentioned earlier these type of shipments will likely be the biggest loser.rick_chasey said:Must stop posting things and expecting them to read beyond the headline.
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I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?0 -
With millions now out of work, they can hire some of those instead.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?1 -
You have to see Sanna as an irrelevance, it is there merely as an example to explain a bigger issue.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
The Thai restaurant has come into being with existing rules and regulations and ability to get ingredients and staff.
There are many other businesses which came into being and flourished because of the SM. Some of these will not be able to adapt and stay profitable and will cease to trade.0 -
We have millions of ethnic Thais out of work have we?darkhairedlord said:
With millions now out of work, they can hire some of those instead.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
Or do you mean that the Thai restaurant owner can make do with the local unemployed , whereas the Italian restaurant owner can have special dispensation because he's a nice European?0 -
Both can employ local workers, just like any other business they need to investcinctheirxworkforcexandctrain them.ballysmate said:
We have millions of ethnic Thais out of work have we?darkhairedlord said:
With millions now out of work, they can hire some of those instead.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
Or do you mean that the Thai restaurant owner can make do with the local unemployed , whereas the Italian restaurant owner can have special dispensation because he's a nice European?0 -
I agree. The person in Rick's article is complaining about an issue that is easily overcome.darkhairedlord said:
Both can employ local workers, just like any other business they need to investcinctheirxworkforcexandctrain them.ballysmate said:
We have millions of ethnic Thais out of work have we?darkhairedlord said:
With millions now out of work, they can hire some of those instead.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
Or do you mean that the Thai restaurant owner can make do with the local unemployed , whereas the Italian restaurant owner can have special dispensation because he's a nice European?0 -
I see. So you do understand that there is a solution.surrey_commuter said:
You have to see Sanna as an irrelevance, it is there merely as an example to explain a bigger issue.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
The Thai restaurant has come into being with existing rules and regulations and ability to get ingredients and staff.
There are many other businesses which came into being and flourished because of the SM. Some of these will not be able to adapt and stay profitable and will cease to trade.0 -
Like the tradesmen that were undercut when FoM was introduced? They had to adapt to survive or went under.surrey_commuter said:
You have to see Sanna as an irrelevance, it is there merely as an example to explain a bigger issue.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
The Thai restaurant has come into being with existing rules and regulations and ability to get ingredients and staff.
There are many other businesses which came into being and flourished because of the SM. Some of these will not be able to adapt and stay profitable and will cease to trade.
Before my time on here. There may have been posts on here supporting plumbers, chippies and the like, when the rules were changed, but I somehow doubt it.
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I wanted to see your source.surrey_commuter said:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gdp/failure-to-get-brexit-trade-deal-would-wipe-extra-2-off-uk-output-obr-idUSKBN285209Stevo_666 said:
Still haven't seen them. Link to your source please.surrey_commuter said:
OBR and Andrew BaileyStevo_666 said:
So am I. Don't recall seeing any forecasts like that.surrey_commuter said:Dorset_Boy said:
Don't think he's saying 4% pa though, just 4% in total which is obviously massively different.rick_chasey said:Where’s SC to talk about compound rates
Yes he is,
He is saying the economy will be 4% smaller in year 15, so will have been 3.75% smaller in year 14.
We are already 2.5% smaller so the compounded loss would far surpass the Covid losses.
Let’s assume 0.5% of UK economy is £ the cumulative loss is;
Year 1 = £10bn
Year 2 = £20bn
Year 3 = £40bn
Year 4 = £80bn
Year 5 = £160bn
Year 6 =
That is so horrific I am doubting my maths.
If this involves extrapolation of forecasts over a period beyond which forecasting is khown to be vaguely accurate then I'm sure you know my views on that already.
This is publicly available information and really would have been quicker for you to Google than write that sentence.
No mention of specific timescales other than 'the long run'. And we all know about the accuracy of long range forecasts. No mention of other possible compensation given a times (which are equally hard to forecast accurately the long run). So I will give it the appropriate weighting."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You may well not care that various businesses will cease to exist but the point of the article is to explain the difference between what we had and what we are gettingballysmate said:
Like the tradesmen that were undercut when FoM was introduced? They had to adapt to survive or went under.surrey_commuter said:
You have to see Sanna as an irrelevance, it is there merely as an example to explain a bigger issue.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
The Thai restaurant has come into being with existing rules and regulations and ability to get ingredients and staff.
There are many other businesses which came into being and flourished because of the SM. Some of these will not be able to adapt and stay profitable and will cease to trade.
Before my time on here. There may have been posts on here supporting plumbers, chippies and the like, when the rules were changed, but I somehow doubt it.0 -
And you wonder why people don’t bother posting you links, no matter how good the source you will just career off at an obtuse angle in a desperate attempt to maintain the illusion that nothing bad will come of BrexitStevo_666 said:
I wanted to see your source.surrey_commuter said:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gdp/failure-to-get-brexit-trade-deal-would-wipe-extra-2-off-uk-output-obr-idUSKBN285209Stevo_666 said:
Still haven't seen them. Link to your source please.surrey_commuter said:
OBR and Andrew BaileyStevo_666 said:
So am I. Don't recall seeing any forecasts like that.surrey_commuter said:Dorset_Boy said:
Don't think he's saying 4% pa though, just 4% in total which is obviously massively different.rick_chasey said:Where’s SC to talk about compound rates
Yes he is,
He is saying the economy will be 4% smaller in year 15, so will have been 3.75% smaller in year 14.
We are already 2.5% smaller so the compounded loss would far surpass the Covid losses.
Let’s assume 0.5% of UK economy is £ the cumulative loss is;
Year 1 = £10bn
Year 2 = £20bn
Year 3 = £40bn
Year 4 = £80bn
Year 5 = £160bn
Year 6 =
That is so horrific I am doubting my maths.
If this involves extrapolation of forecasts over a period beyond which forecasting is khown to be vaguely accurate then I'm sure you know my views on that already.
This is publicly available information and really would have been quicker for you to Google than write that sentence.
No mention of specific timescales other than 'the long run'. And we all know about the accuracy of long range forecasts. No mention of other possible compensation given a times (which are equally hard to forecast accurately the long run). So I will give it the appropriate weighting.0 -
Colossally deluded?surrey_commuter said:
I could sit quietly and wait for you to discover that I am right and achieve godlike status in your eyes.david37 said:
Yes I meant to put the question mark, it’s indicating incredulity and asking if your position of insight on a deal that hadnt been published and you hadn’t read and much less understood, was where you really stood.surrey_commuter said:
Did you mean to put the ?david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
I never used to think of myself as intellectually superior.
What bit do you think is the difficult bit that makes me clever;
Knowing 80% of our economy is services?
Knowing we have a £20bn trade surplus in services?
Knowing we have a £100bn trade deficit in goods?
Knowing Boris’s deal does not cover services?
Far from it being a genuine suggestion you had intellectual superiority i was pointing out the crass stupidity of your position.
That you thought otherwise merely serves to reinforce my opinion (based on fact) that you are actually a bit thick and prone to hysterical outburst.
As it is Xmas I will admit that this is all publicly available info and even Boris has conceded it is a shame services are not included.
Now if I am not an intellectual colossus then what other possibility does that leave?0 -
TheBigBean said:
I see. So you do understand that there is a solution.surrey_commuter said:
You have to see Sanna as an irrelevance, it is there merely as an example to explain a bigger issue.ballysmate said:I read it.
Until now, it’s always been easy to find enough Sardinians already living in London to keep the kitchens humming and diners happy. Post-Brexit, Europeans wanting to move to the U.K. will need a job offer to get working papers, so Sanna will need to take greater risks in hiring. “It’s hard to know if someone is good or not if you haven’t met them in person,”
Why do you or San(n)a think that it should be easier for him to hire Sardinians that it should be for the owner of the Thai restaurant next door to him to hire Asian chefs?
The Thai restaurant has come into being with existing rules and regulations and ability to get ingredients and staff.
There are many other businesses which came into being and flourished because of the SM. Some of these will not be able to adapt and stay profitable and will cease to trade.
By definition they will be sub-optimum solutions.
In a bizarre reversal, you are looking at this issue in a too binary fashion.0 -
Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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I do worry about you and as such I am going to decline your kind offer to debate whether or not services are covered in the FTAdavid37 said:
Colossally deluded?surrey_commuter said:
I could sit quietly and wait for you to discover that I am right and achieve godlike status in your eyes.david37 said:
Yes I meant to put the question mark, it’s indicating incredulity and asking if your position of insight on a deal that hadnt been published and you hadn’t read and much less understood, was where you really stood.surrey_commuter said:
Did you mean to put the ?david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
I never used to think of myself as intellectually superior.
What bit do you think is the difficult bit that makes me clever;
Knowing 80% of our economy is services?
Knowing we have a £20bn trade surplus in services?
Knowing we have a £100bn trade deficit in goods?
Knowing Boris’s deal does not cover services?
Far from it being a genuine suggestion you had intellectual superiority i was pointing out the crass stupidity of your position.
That you thought otherwise merely serves to reinforce my opinion (based on fact) that you are actually a bit thick and prone to hysterical outburst.
As it is Xmas I will admit that this is all publicly available info and even Boris has conceded it is a shame services are not included.
Now if I am not an intellectual colossus then what other possibility does that leave?
If I remember rightly you are the bloke who voted Leave because your mother in law hates Germans which is good as I think it is important you are not alone.0 -
I did read it. Thanks for posting. This thread is too pessimistic already though.tailwindhome said:1 -
Despite not liking Twitter I responded to your insistence and even read the linked thread on fish. There was a question in there that went unanswered of what happened to our existing fishing rights in EU waters. The silence is either ominous or it should be obvious the same mechanisms exist for both sidesTheBigBean said:
I did read it. Thanks for posting. This thread is too pessimistic already though.tailwindhome said:0 -
Surprised you have enough sympathy to thin! Thought it was already thin to begin with!ballysmate said:Of course I care if businesses go bump. My sympathy thins when people moan about not being able to employ people from a a very narrow ethnic background for the sole reason that they are from that very narrow ethnic background.
Your whole bit is lacking empathy for those affected by Brexit because you feel people had no sympathy for the “victims” of EU membership.
Forcing firms to be more competitive due to market liberalisation vs making firms less competitive due to regulation isn’t the same thing but you don’t seem to care about that bit.
(This is where the costs of Brexit lie)
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Of course I have sympathy for people losing their businesses. Not said otherwise.
I pointed out that I suspect sympathy for people affected by the introduction of FoM would have been in short supply from some on here.0 -
You do understand the differences right?ballysmate said:Of course I have sympathy for people losing their businesses. Not said otherwise.
I pointed out that I suspect sympathy for people affected by the introduction of FoM would have been in short supply from some on here.
Am I the only one the massive improvement in tradesman services after 2004?
Night and day and I wasn’t even an adult and I could see the difference.0 -
Maybe it’s just me. I grew up with my family doing a lot of work on the house(s).
Often the tradesmen would just take the absolute p!ss.
I mean, just appalling behaviour. Turning up late, not correcting mistakes, working short hours, not even turning up, leaving projects in various appalling states.
Around 2006-7 we had loads more work done and they stated using all the foreign tradesmen and oh my god it felt like a miracle. Turned up bang on time, worked so fast, no 2hr lunches reading the sun with sarnies. When there was a big mistake we called him at 10pm and he gruffly said he’d come now, worked till 12 to fix it, no extra cost. Can you even imagine!
Honestly it was remarkable.
I think since then that entire world has upped its game.0 -
Speaking of strategy if you’re remain what’s the strategy you take?
I guess you spend your time lobbying for closer integration on various issues and piecemeal make your way towards a Norway scenario?
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I could have sworn advice that people looking for a better life should get on their bike came from a Conservative politician. FoM was very much in that spirit. I'm not sure why anyone is owed sympathy for having to deal with straightforward business competition.ballysmate said:Of course I have sympathy for people losing their businesses. Not said otherwise.
I pointed out that I suspect sympathy for people affected by the introduction of FoM would have been in short supply from some on here.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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