BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
Depends whether the headbangers really do think that any price is worth paying for unicorn sovereignty. We'll start to see over the next four years.0 -
I think that is rather obvious but by not signing it we would be condemning ourselves to the fate with which we are now only threatened. In many ways it is a 3rd rate version of my idea to join the EEA until we knew where we wanted to diverge.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.0 -
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.0 -
They can 'feel' whatever they like, they were wrong, and they re about to find out how wrong.shortfall said:
where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well?
I feel that 2 + 2 = 5, do you have empathy for me?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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He seems to have fallen apart under questioning. From you.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.2 -
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
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surrey_commuter said:
I think that is rather obvious but by not signing it we would be condemning ourselves to the fate with which we are now only threatened. In many ways it is a 3rd rate version of my idea to join the EEA until we knew where we wanted to diverge.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I enjoy quoting and thus capturing the posts of remoaners who are so sure that they are right with their view of the UK leaving the EUddraver said:
They can 'feel' whatever they like, they were wrong, and they re about to find out how wrong.shortfall said:
where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well?
I feel that 2 + 2 = 5, do you have empathy for me?
They've been wrong since the vote happened so why would that change now?-2 -
People like who?shortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Empathy, I don't recall there's been much of that present on either side to be fair. The 'you lost get over it' tone is hardly taking the high ground in that respect.0
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That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.1 -
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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How do you think I should describe a bunch of people who believed all their problems were down to EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Do you really not get that I am 100% certain that these people voted to make their lives worse?
Do you think that JRM, Boris and Farage would disagree with the above and if so why have they never done so?1 -
pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
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There are sixteen hundred pages where the winners and losers of freedom of movement and other aspects of our membership have been discussed and I don't propose to rehearse them again now but if you read my post carefully it said this:pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
"the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by".
This is about SC criticising people on the Leave side for showing a lack of empathy. I'm saying he should own his own his hypocrisy on this before castigating anyone.
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As opposed to those who just believed in the bogeyman of the EU.pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.0 -
I voted Remain what more do you want?shortfall said:
There are sixteen hundred pages where the winners and losers of freedom of movement and other aspects of our membership have been discussed and I don't propose to rehearse them again now but if you read my post carefully it said this:pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
"the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by".
This is about SC criticising people on the Leave side for showing a lack of empathy. I'm saying he should own his own his hypocrisy on this before castigating anyone.
If you object to my level of empathy what place in hell would you reserve in hell for the people who exploited their ignorance and fears for their own ends?0 -
Well you might start by accepting that intelligent people can have legitimate differences of opinion with you in debate and that your opponents in debate aren't your enemies to be mocked, belittled and derided.surrey_commuter said:
I voted Remain what more do you want?shortfall said:
There are sixteen hundred pages where the winners and losers of freedom of movement and other aspects of our membership have been discussed and I don't propose to rehearse them again now but if you read my post carefully it said this:pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
"the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by".
This is about SC criticising people on the Leave side for showing a lack of empathy. I'm saying he should own his own his hypocrisy on this before castigating anyone.
If you object to my level of empathy what place in hell would you reserve in hell for the people who exploited their ignorance and fears for their own ends?0 -
If people accepted that hypocrisy doesn't mean the point is wrong, debate would be more productive.2
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I did notice the reference to feelings but surely there is some meat on the bones of their argument otherwise wtf are we doing.shortfall said:
There are sixteen hundred pages where the winners and losers of freedom of movement and other aspects of our membership have been discussed and I don't propose to rehearse them again now but if you read my post carefully it said this:pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
"the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by".
This is about SC criticising people on the Leave side for showing a lack of empathy. I'm saying he should own his own his hypocrisy on this before castigating anyone.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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While clearly there are some who see the EU like that, I believe one of the unintended consequences of the referendum was that quite a number of people who felt hard done by for whatever reason (not specifically or directly related to the EU other perception of the EU) using the ref to give the establishment a kick up the backside. It maybe didn't help that there were a fair few establishment figures in the remain campaign.elbowloh said:
As opposed to those who just believed in the bogeyman of the EU.pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
In any event, it's a bit late in the day for this now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I really don't recall speaking or hearing any leave voters citing 'I've not had the economic benefits' as a reason for their vote. It has always been immigration/ruled by Brussels/life was better before we joined etc.1
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Oh definitely. I suspect there were also many who did just that whilst thinking it was safe to do so, because the country as a whole would vote to stay, but who knows for sure.Stevo_666 said:
While clearly there are some who see the EU like that, I believe one of the unintended consequences of the referendum was that quite a number of people who felt hard done by for whatever reason (not specifically or directly related to the EU other perception of the EU) using the ref to give the establishment a kick up the backside. It maybe didn't help that there were a fair few establishment figures in the remain campaign.elbowloh said:
As opposed to those who just believed in the bogeyman of the EU.pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
In any event, it's a bit late in the day for this now.0 -
I'm sorry if people feel there have been failings to supply sufficient empathy by remainers.0
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I was a remainer and I've been accused by some on here of not showing sympathy or empathy. I suspect that my remain credentials are not considered zealous enough by some on here.kingstongraham said:I'm sorry if people feel there have been failings to supply sufficient empathy by remainers.
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I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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The hard line Brexiteers who are yet to realise that we are still tied to the EU and their regulations.rick_chasey said:So who should I be giving my empathy now? The UKIP eel farmer who is losing his business?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As Shorty pointed out there were people who for a variety of reasons felt that the EU wasn't working for them. Whether you feel empathy is up to you. Not bothered either way.rick_chasey said:So who should I be giving my empathy now? The UKIP eel farmer who is losing his business?
But don't expect people who feel that they want out of the EU to have any sympathy for you struggling to find authentic Sardinian cheese in your favourite Italian restaurant as a result of Brexit.
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