BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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no im laughing at the irony. there is no joy in remoaner flappingelbowloh said:
So you actually get joy out of people's unhappiness and concern over their livelihoods and children's futures. Says a lot about you.david37 said:I'm loving this, all these remoaners set off again by something they said wouldnt happen.
My thoughts...... better to look for good than hypothetical despair and disaster. You'll feel better and have the wherewithall to make the best of a fantastic one off opportunity.-1 -
Yes, they are going to make the south just as sh.it as the rest of the country.tailwindhome said:I, for one, am glad the Conservative Party have thrown off the shackles of the Single Market and can begin their long term plan to level up the UK.
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Having spent a bit of time across the north including Scotland and the South I think you might have got this the wrong way round. High population density, high housing costs, congestion and an ever present belief that those in the North are somewhat inferior. You can keep all those benefits thanks. Maybe even cut out the selling you two bedroom apartment for a mill and coming North to tell us all about it as well.darkhairedlord said:
Yes, they are going to make the south just as sh.it as the rest of the country.tailwindhome said:I, for one, am glad the Conservative Party have thrown off the shackles of the Single Market and can begin their long term plan to level up the UK.
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I think you'll find it was a joke.john80 said:
Having spent a bit of time across the north including Scotland and the South I think you might have got this the wrong way round. High population density, high housing costs, congestion and an ever present belief that those in the North are somewhat inferior. You can keep all those benefits thanks. Maybe even cut out the selling you two bedroom apartment for a mill and coming North to tell us all about it as well.darkhairedlord said:
Yes, they are going to make the south just as sh.it as the rest of the country.tailwindhome said:I, for one, am glad the Conservative Party have thrown off the shackles of the Single Market and can begin their long term plan to level up the UK.
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I can see why they are not on the comedy circuit.elbowloh said:
I think you'll find it was a joke.john80 said:
Having spent a bit of time across the north including Scotland and the South I think you might have got this the wrong way round. High population density, high housing costs, congestion and an ever present belief that those in the North are somewhat inferior. You can keep all those benefits thanks. Maybe even cut out the selling you two bedroom apartment for a mill and coming North to tell us all about it as well.darkhairedlord said:
Yes, they are going to make the south just as sh.it as the rest of the country.tailwindhome said:I, for one, am glad the Conservative Party have thrown off the shackles of the Single Market and can begin their long term plan to level up the UK.
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Did you mean to put the ?david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
I never used to think of myself as intellectually superior.
What bit do you think is the difficult bit that makes me clever;
Knowing 80% of our economy is services?
Knowing we have a £20bn trade surplus in services?
Knowing we have a £100bn trade deficit in goods?
Knowing Boris’s deal does not cover services?
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The 80% point is broadly on the same level as £350m a week. Service exports to the EU represent just under 5% of the total economy. Clearly something that would be nice to have. Haircuts aren't usually exported.surrey_commuter said:
Did you mean to put the ?david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
I never used to think of myself as intellectually superior.
What bit do you think is the difficult bit that makes me clever;
Knowing 80% of our economy is services?
Knowing we have a £20bn trade surplus in services?
Knowing we have a £100bn trade deficit in goods?
Knowing Boris’s deal does not cover services?0 -
Yes I meant to put the question mark, it’s indicating incredulity and asking if your position of insight on a deal that hadnt been published and you hadn’t read and much less understood, was where you really stood.surrey_commuter said:
Did you mean to put the ?david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
I never used to think of myself as intellectually superior.
What bit do you think is the difficult bit that makes me clever;
Knowing 80% of our economy is services?
Knowing we have a £20bn trade surplus in services?
Knowing we have a £100bn trade deficit in goods?
Knowing Boris’s deal does not cover services?
Far from it being a genuine suggestion you had intellectual superiority i was pointing out the crass stupidity of your position.
That you thought otherwise merely serves to reinforce my opinion (based on fact) that you are actually a bit thick and prone to hysterical outburst.
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Like any other FTA, services are very much secondary. However there is still equivalence. Although given London's pre-eminent position in the global FS industry as opposed to merely being given a European centre, it is the EU that should probably be more worried.rick_chasey said:
Both innit.Stevo_666 said:
Are you talking about the EU FS industry?rick_chasey said:
FS has essentially been given “no deal” and has materially less optionality as an industry than it did.
The City has basically been told “look after yourself we won’t” by the govt.
That strikes me as odd as FS is a great asset that they ought to protect.
Maybe the government wants to rebalance towards other industries but they haven’t said this.
The big nations of the EU have bigger advantages over the U.K. in manufacturing and the U.K. has advantages in services so it’s a shame for the U.K. that the trade deal focuses on goods and not services, wouldn’t you say?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You are mistaking the South East for the South.john80 said:
Having spent a bit of time across the north including Scotland and the South I think you might have got this the wrong way round. High population density, high housing costs, congestion and an ever present belief that those in the North are somewhat inferior. You can keep all those benefits thanks. Maybe even cut out the selling you two bedroom apartment for a mill and coming North to tell us all about it as well.darkhairedlord said:
Yes, they are going to make the south just as sh.it as the rest of the country.tailwindhome said:I, for one, am glad the Conservative Party have thrown off the shackles of the Single Market and can begin their long term plan to level up the UK.
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Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]3 -
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I enjoyed the couple of days where no one knew anything. Now everyone knows everything.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
I'm told it's OKTheBigBean said:
I enjoyed the couple of days where no one knew anything. Now everyone knows everything.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.
The Government know
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I agree! surely their must be something more productive we all could be doing rather than auguring the toss on here eh?tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
We should have a poll to close this thread 31st and leave all this frankly bad blood behind us, I don't think its benefiting any of us to be honest!0
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I've got the occasional useful piece of information here, amongst all the ill informed views and indignation.spatt77 said:
I agree! surely their must be something more productive we all could be doing rather than auguring the toss on here eh?tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
They could just follow Andrew Adonis on Twitter and agree with all of his posts whilst adding suggestions of their own where he hasn't been suitably pro EU enough because even he is actually #FBPE lite compared to some of the cakestop faithful.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
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I think this misses how provisional the agreement is. The 4 year review clause means that the adding/removing things from the agreement is likely to be a significant election issue. And again at the election after that. I think that's broadly a good thing if it means people being more politically engaged. I also think an incremental process is likely to be less disruptive to the country and its government, and make it a less tribal issue. I don't see how it won't still be something to talk about, though.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Are some snowflakes disappointed this isn't an echo chamber? Don't like free speech?0
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FWIW, I find his tweets pretty depressing in their detachment from reality. Even having admitted that the actions of the more hardline elements of the Remain campaign have contributed to where we are, he still can't seem to stop himself arguing that we should try to rejoin immediately. As if what the country needs is yet more upheaval.shortfall said:
They could just follow Andrew Adonis on Twitter and agree with all of his posts whilst adding suggestions of their own where he hasn't been suitably pro EU enough because even he is actually #FBPE lite compared to some of the cakestop faithful.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Agree.rjsterry said:
FWIW, I find his tweets pretty depressing in their detachment from reality. Even having admitted that the actions of the more hardline elements of the Remain campaign have contributed to where we are, he still can't seem to stop himself arguing that we should try to rejoin immediately. As if what the country needs is yet more upheaval.shortfall said:
They could just follow Andrew Adonis on Twitter and agree with all of his posts whilst adding suggestions of their own where he hasn't been suitably pro EU enough because even he is actually #FBPE lite compared to some of the cakestop faithful.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
Yeah come on short I don’t think any of the remain lot here think remain did a good job or that the govt should actually ignore the ref result.shortfall said:
Agree.rjsterry said:
FWIW, I find his tweets pretty depressing in their detachment from reality. Even having admitted that the actions of the more hardline elements of the Remain campaign have contributed to where we are, he still can't seem to stop himself arguing that we should try to rejoin immediately. As if what the country needs is yet more upheaval.shortfall said:
They could just follow Andrew Adonis on Twitter and agree with all of his posts whilst adding suggestions of their own where he hasn't been suitably pro EU enough because even he is actually #FBPE lite compared to some of the cakestop faithful.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
Certain things may change for sure. But I was talking about the 'should we rejoin' question which is a bit more fundamental. Hence the new thread suggestion for those who want to exercise their freedom of whining, sorry speechrjsterry said:
I think this misses how provisional the agreement is. The 4 year review clause means that the adding/removing things from the agreement is likely to be a significant election issue. And again at the election after that. I think that's broadly a good thing if it means people being more politically engaged. I also think an incremental process is likely to be less disruptive to the country and its government, and make it a less tribal issue. I don't see how it won't still be something to talk about, though.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.
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Pretty sure several people on here tried various arguments along the lines that the referendum was only advisory, or the sillier logic that if you include people who didn't vote there was no majority in favour of leaving. Sure you weren't one of them?rick_chasey said:
Yeah come on short I don’t think any of the remain lot here think remain did a good job or that the govt should actually ignore the ref result.shortfall said:
Agree.rjsterry said:
FWIW, I find his tweets pretty depressing in their detachment from reality. Even having admitted that the actions of the more hardline elements of the Remain campaign have contributed to where we are, he still can't seem to stop himself arguing that we should try to rejoin immediately. As if what the country needs is yet more upheaval.shortfall said:
They could just follow Andrew Adonis on Twitter and agree with all of his posts whilst adding suggestions of their own where he hasn't been suitably pro EU enough because even he is actually #FBPE lite compared to some of the cakestop faithful.Stevo_666 said:
I was going to suggest that myself but felt that it wouldn't be very popular. I suppose there could be a new 'Brejoin' thread for people who really want it, although not sure whether that would be any different from this one.tailwindhome said:
This thread should be locked on 31st December at 11 pm.Stevo_666 said:
How about non whingeing pact? Win-win scenario. On the other hand, this is Cake Stop....morstar said:
Seeing as the winners haven’t stopped whingeing yet, what do you expect?Stevo_666 said:
Not a bad overall approach I would say. We need to see how this turn out and also there is the question of what the EU and the world will look like in say 15 years time. No doubt the whining will continue on 1st Jan but whether anyone will be listening is another question.spatt77 said:
Its a easy moniker to label Brexiteers with!. It comes from the self belief that Remainers are right and if you disagree with them you are , racist, xenophobic or thick. Of course these Remainers are the same people that fell for the "common market" and how it wouldn't infringe on our laws or sovereignty, they were gullible then and not much has changed. Pre referendum I didn't realise how tiring it must of been to be Pro EU and listening to whinging anti EU crowd, now the tables are turned it really is tiring listening to whinging Remainers, plus you have the TV media on your side! But I like the famous quote, "Resentment is like taking a poison and waiting for the other person to die". My advice for Remainers is give it 10 to 15 years years, see if its the Armageddon you predicted and then start your campaign after all we had to wait 40 odd years, only fair eh!;)Stevo_666 said:
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]3
