BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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In theory, if the EU reduced it's standards in some way to give, say, its car industry an advantage, then I think there are mechanisms to allow us to retaliate in some form. I'm not sure how likely that is given the EU's aim for its standards to become de facto global standards.TheBigBean said:
Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?kingstongraham said:
No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.coopster_the_1st said:There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today
It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost
Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Absolutely. But the EU never sold brexit as a way to reduce that "unnecessary regulatory burden".TheBigBean said:
Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?kingstongraham said:
No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.coopster_the_1st said:There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today
It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost
Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.0 -
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You do seem to have quite the 💕 for how the Chinese do things.john80 said:
This does not get you the strategic long term investment you need unfortunately.elbowloh said:
So nothing to do with being part of the EU. It;s about paying the least amount of money.john80 said:
MPs have been tinkering around the edges without good leadership for decades. Why do the Chinese insist on local criteria for entrants to their market but the UK does not. We have a lot of wind turbines around the UK with little to no involvement with UK manufacture. The Chinese would have laughed Vestas back on the plane with that approach in China.rick_chasey said:
😂😂😂😂😂john80 said:
There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.surrey_commuter said:
Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.john80 said:
1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.ugo.santalucia said:If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?
My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...
We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...
Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS
Hilarious joke aside are you suggesting that MPs were not uk focused before?.
I do know that every government/council funded project i have been part of has to use a certain amount of local SMEs and % of local labour. This includes small jobs right up to HS21985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners.0 -
Doesn't Boris have the most multi-cultural cabinet ever?Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?0 -
Either party is not tied to each others rules if one party diverges it goes to arbitration and if the other can show a cost difference then tariffs would apply. Obviously if you want to sell a product and potentially a service then you need to be complaint with the hosts rules.rjsterry said:
In theory, if the EU reduced it's standards in some way to give, say, its car industry an advantage, then I think there are mechanisms to allow us to retaliate in some form. I'm not sure how likely that is given the EU's aim for its standards to become de facto global standards.TheBigBean said:
Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?kingstongraham said:
No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.coopster_the_1st said:There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today
It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost
Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.0 -
Unfortunately he does not have the self awareness to realise that being mates with a lot of racists is not good look or he made it up like the majority of generalisations.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?0 -
I would say so.Dorset_Boy said:
Doesn't Boris have the most multi-cultural cabinet ever?Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Anyone can be but she most definitely isn't. Not sure where this sweeping generalisation about leavers being racists comes from, other than bitterness?elbowloh said:
Well Indians can be racist too ya know.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?
Not saying that your OH is, but being a foreigner doesn't mean you also don't like other foreigners."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Do you disagree that rolls Royce have a modular reactor and a current design for packaging these into a plant. That would be quite a boon to UK manufacturing. Quite the parody.pblakeney said:
I now accept that you are a parody account. Carry on.john80 said:
There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.surrey_commuter said:
Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.john80 said:
1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.ugo.santalucia said:If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?
My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...
We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...
Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS0 -
No. I know very few who voted for Brexit but they are 100% admitted racists. The vast majority of people I know voted to remain. See what you can do with statistics.john80 said:
Unfortunately he does not have the self awareness to realise that being mates with a lot of racists is not good look or he made it up like the majority of generalisations.Stevo_666 said:
Do you know a lot of old people?pblakeney said:
100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
Ironically my OH voted leave and she is of Indian parentage. Not sure what what the sweeping generalisers will make of that?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.4
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I'll settle for that.surrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The first part of your post is utter nonsense.surrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
I'm sure there will be plenty of remainers who are also racists.
The second part of your point is valid though.
Seems there are plenty of posters who are still keen to widen the divides in the country rather than close them.
I'm not having a go at you SC because generally you are pretty balanced, though the last 48 hours you do seem to have fallen off the middle ground! I'm sure it's just a mid winter wobble though!0 -
How many racists do you have to find that are not brexiteers before your logic is broken. Maybe you should just agree that people are individuals and your grouping of them in this manner is illogical. How many of the pro EU lobby are racists for believing that mainly white EU immigration is OK but mainly non white immigration needs a separate system of control for.those counties outside the EU. Seems pretty racist to me.surrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
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Where do the SNP sit based on your idiotic view?surrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
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I suspect that in a lot of areas standards will improve in the UK. I find it really odd that this possibility is always ignored.kingstongraham said:
Absolutely. But the EU never sold brexit as a way to reduce that "unnecessary regulatory burden".TheBigBean said:
Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?kingstongraham said:
No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.coopster_the_1st said:There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today
It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost
Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.
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I've met quite a few racist remain voterssurrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
Colleague "The EU has afforded me so many opportunities as a Bulgarian"
Me "That's great, but why shouldn't those same opportunities be made available to people from other countries such as Morocco "
Colleague "Morocco! They're not European, how can they be in EU. Of course they shouldn't get the same opportunities"
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Ironically I recall seeing a survey showing that the UK is one of the least racist countries in Europe.john80 said:You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?0 -
I voted remain, but now we have left I support the country where I live and which provides me with a living. Some of you lot should do the same.surrey_commuter said:skyblueamateur said:
I'm genuinely interested. Although I don't particularly agree with TBB or John80 it's enlightening to get a different opinion and see what the bigger picture is with Brexit. Obviously, for us to move forward Brexiteers need to be happy with the deal or otherwise the goalposts are going to shift again.rjsterry said:I doubt many would know the difference.
My only hope with Brexit is that the government of the day are now held accountable. I think John80 alluded to this in previous posts. If they can't blame Europe for everything going forward then that is one highlight for me. I fear that they will still try to blame Europe though.
TBB is a Remainer pretending to be a Leaver
SteveO is a Leaver pretending (badly) to be a Remainer
John80 is not interested in the economic outcome as for him it is all about sovereignty.
And if you want to understand Brexiteers you have to stop thinking in terms of economics. Nobody voted Leave to improve the economic well being of the country or themselves. No cost is too high to stop foreigners having a say in their lives, living here, working here or catching our fish."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Pi$$ing you off for the rest of your daysrick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
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That doesn't make sense. I'm sure this is not connected with postal servicesrick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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If true, it eliminates one of the few economic reasons for leaving.TheBigBean said:
I suspect that in a lot of areas standards will improve in the UK. I find it really odd that this possibility is always ignored.kingstongraham said:
Absolutely. But the EU never sold brexit as a way to reduce that "unnecessary regulatory burden".TheBigBean said:
Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?kingstongraham said:
No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.coopster_the_1st said:There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today
It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost
Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.0 -
Hard to predict, but probably more than before now we have more freedom to do so.rick_chasey said:Post Brexit world. You know what I mean.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There’s something about the “let’s bring back the death penalty” “let’s give billions of pounds of contracts to mates who have no experience in what we’re paying them to do” that tells me this govt is not interested in raising standards....0
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I would bet 10k that the death penalty won't be brought back in the next 20years. You care to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a wager. Could be a good little retirement present for me. You confident of your position or is it more glass half empty nonsense.rick_chasey said:There’s something about the “let’s bring back the death penalty” “let’s give billions of pounds of contracts to mates who have no experience in what we’re paying them to do” that tells me this govt is not interested in raising standards....
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