BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Not really sure you got the point but let’s just say the home office minister has been on public record about it frequently. I’m not saying it’ll come back
It doesn’t give off the “raising” standards vibe - I probably could have picked a better examples.
But quite a few of you seem to think this govt is capable of governance and competence that their track record does not deserve.0 -
If only we could accept that it would be a good thing.TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?0 -
Get the whinges in now - only 4 days left..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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If he is Bulgarian, surely he didn't get a vote either way.TheBigBean said:
I've met quite a few racist remain voterssurrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
Colleague "The EU has afforded me so many opportunities as a Bulgarian"
Me "That's great, but why shouldn't those same opportunities be made available to people from other countries such as Morocco "
Colleague "Morocco! They're not European, how can they be in EU. Of course they shouldn't get the same opportunities"1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Let's hope you're right. A few years ago people would have laughed at the idea of us leaving the EU to the extent that the PM was happy to gamble on it.john80 said:
I would bet 10k that the death penalty won't be brought back in the next 20years. You care to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a wager. Could be a good little retirement present for me. You confident of your position or is it more glass half empty nonsense.rick_chasey said:There’s something about the “let’s bring back the death penalty” “let’s give billions of pounds of contracts to mates who have no experience in what we’re paying them to do” that tells me this govt is not interested in raising standards....
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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No need to hope. Looks like RC has bottled the wager.rjsterry said:
Let's hope you're right. A few years ago people would have laughed at the idea of us leaving the EU to the extent that the PM was happy to gamble on it.john80 said:
I would bet 10k that the death penalty won't be brought back in the next 20years. You care to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a wager. Could be a good little retirement present for me. You confident of your position or is it more glass half empty nonsense.rick_chasey said:There’s something about the “let’s bring back the death penalty” “let’s give billions of pounds of contracts to mates who have no experience in what we’re paying them to do” that tells me this govt is not interested in raising standards....
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think you misunderstood what I wrote.Stevo_666 said:
No need to hope. Looks like RC has bottled the wager.rjsterry said:
Let's hope you're right. A few years ago people would have laughed at the idea of us leaving the EU to the extent that the PM was happy to gamble on it.john80 said:
I would bet 10k that the death penalty won't be brought back in the next 20years. You care to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a wager. Could be a good little retirement present for me. You confident of your position or is it more glass half empty nonsense.rick_chasey said:There’s something about the “let’s bring back the death penalty” “let’s give billions of pounds of contracts to mates who have no experience in what we’re paying them to do” that tells me this govt is not interested in raising standards....
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
This 'they were holding us back' nonsense never dies does it.Stevo_666 said:
Hard to predict, but probably more than before now we have more freedom to do so.rick_chasey said:Post Brexit world. You know what I mean.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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A heavy natural resources exporter? Presumably you mean educated minnow on the doorstep of a superpower?TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?
Let’s take a step back.
I don’t think either party even knows what the U.K.’s. comparative advantage is or if they do, they’re not showing any behaviour towards supporting it.
Do they even know what they want it to be?0 -
You asked place in the world I didn't realise you wanted a breakdown of the economy. In that case, mostly unchanged.rick_chasey said:
A heavy natural resources exporter? Presumably you mean educated minnow on the doorstep of a superpower?TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?
Let’s take a step back.
I don’t think either party even knows what the U.K.’s. comparative advantage is or if they do, they’re not showing any behaviour towards supporting it.
Do they even know what they want it to be?0 -
One is linked to the other, no?
FS, law, education i would say are up there, right?
So how has the U.K. enhanced those?
FS has essentially been given “no deal” and has materially less optionality as an industry than it did.
Law is largely unchanged though the entire premise of the U.K. gov’t agreeing to breech international law publicly does undermine that - lawyers seem to think this is terrible but you do not.
Education? Well the entire uni world was vehemently against it, though I think they have retained some of the funding for research they haven’t got anywhere near all of it but the Erasmus scheme has been binned and replaced by some cheaper back-of-a-fag-packet system which is unlikely to replicate it.
So so far the strategy doesn’t look like it looks after the UK’s strengths. But perhaps that’s because the govt wants to pivot to different future advantages that will place the U.K. well?
Presumably they’re after subsidising some big tech though I think that train has already left.
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He's now British, but I think you are right and he wasn't at the time and didn't get to vote. The point still stands though - clinging to a white christian club as evidence of no racism is a bit of a push.rjsterry said:
If he is Bulgarian, surely he didn't get a vote either way.TheBigBean said:
I've met quite a few racist remain voterssurrey_commuter said:Could we agree that whilst all racists are Brexiteers not all Brexiteers are racist.
Colleague "The EU has afforded me so many opportunities as a Bulgarian"
Me "That's great, but why shouldn't those same opportunities be made available to people from other countries such as Morocco "
Colleague "Morocco! They're not European, how can they be in EU. Of course they shouldn't get the same opportunities"0 -
Who doesn't accept this? No one is claiming the UK is going to be a world power. Attempting to be a world power is something a nearby organisation aspires to...surrey_commuter said:
If only we could accept that it would be a good thing.TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?1 -
It is possible to raise standards in some areas and reduce them in others. So far all the noise is about higher standards for animal welfare, the environment and carbon reduction. I would expect health and safety will also see a standard increase as it has historically been the UK pushing for that in the EU.rick_chasey said:Not really sure you got the point but let’s just say the home office minister has been on public record about it frequently. I’m not saying it’ll come back
It doesn’t give off the “raising” standards vibe - I probably could have picked a better examples.
But quite a few of you seem to think this govt is capable of governance and competence that their track record does not deserve.
In contrast, I would expect this government to reduce some social standards. Then labour can increase them if they ever win an election.0 -
This is the same govt that promised spot checks for corona related health and safety and then it was found they never did even plan to do it let alone do it.0
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It is so infuriating how dishonest they are about it.0 -
TheBigBean said:
So far all the noise is about higher standards for animal welfare, the environment and carbon reduction.
I really hope this is the case, but the tension with the Tory Party is that these aspirations are countered by the tenets of lowering costs through competition. The noises for a US trade deal which would have allowed cheaper imported food produced in systems that would not be legal here illustrated the point.
Historically the UK has actually been good on this, even in comparison with the EU, when the UK outlawed certain practices (sow crates is one that comes to mind) before the rest of the EU did (hey, sovereignty
), but it comes at a price.
You could actually improve the UK environment by reducing more intensive farming methods (see the book 'Wilding', for instance), but once you start importing food to replace the lost production, you are simply exporting the environmental impact elsewhere, especially if the food is produced by even more intensive methods (eg US feed lots and prairies).0 -
They can only reduce some standards if the corresponding increase in standards actually has a similar reverse impact to the same industries, can't they? So increasing animal welfare standards while reducing safety standards in fireworks factories wouldn't be doable. Correct me if that's not right.TheBigBean said:
It is possible to raise standards in some areas and reduce them in others. So far all the noise is about higher standards for animal welfare, the environment and carbon reduction. I would expect health and safety will also see a standard increase as it has historically been the UK pushing for that in the EU.rick_chasey said:Not really sure you got the point but let’s just say the home office minister has been on public record about it frequently. I’m not saying it’ll come back
It doesn’t give off the “raising” standards vibe - I probably could have picked a better examples.
But quite a few of you seem to think this govt is capable of governance and competence that their track record does not deserve.
In contrast, I would expect this government to reduce some social standards. Then labour can increase them if they ever win an election.0 -
Try and let it go with the anti EU stuff and focus on the UKTheBigBean said:
Who doesn't accept this? No one is claiming the UK is going to be a world power. Attempting to be a world power is something a nearby organisation aspires to...surrey_commuter said:
If only we could accept that it would be a good thing.TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?
I don’t believe our politicians accept we are no longer a global player. I hate the obsession with “punching above our weight” which results in us being lumbered with aircraft carriers and joining in with any war the US wants us to.1 -
rick_chasey said:
It is so infuriating how dishonest they are about it.
I disagree and would argue that Gove is being honest, the people listening are just too thick to process the meaning of the words that he is saying.
The Govt has invested £750m in jobs and border infrastructure, sounds much better than “as a result of Brexit we have spent nearly a billion pounds to make your lives harder”
And if you think that is weird why aren’t the people on here who were cheering on tariffs disappointed?0 -
That's the price of being a nuclear superpower using American devices although I agree with your point in principle.surrey_commuter said:
Try and let it go with the anti EU stuff and focus on the UKTheBigBean said:
Who doesn't accept this? No one is claiming the UK is going to be a world power. Attempting to be a world power is something a nearby organisation aspires to...surrey_commuter said:
If only we could accept that it would be a good thing.TheBigBean said:
Similar to Canada.rick_chasey said:Seriously what role does the U.K. play in the post Brexit?
Anyone sensible with any ideas?
I don’t believe our politicians accept we are no longer a global player. I hate the obsession with “punching above our weight” which results in us being lumbered with aircraft carriers and joining in with any war the US wants us to.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
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oh no the erasmus scheme is going
. its being replaced by one that is open to more people and more countries. Erasmus plus.
havent noticed the remoaner world is going to end bedwetters complaining about that.-1 -
I could describe your comment in less simplistic ways but youd only get confused, angry and yes buttery. so i wont bother.surrey_commuter said:OK I will give real numbers for the hard of thinking.
In 2019 the UK had a deficit in trade in goods with the EU of £100bn and a surplus on services of £20bn.
Which side do you reckon got the best end of that deal?
You will never be happy out of principle, it will only lead to bitterness and isolation, try being more open, it's good for your mental and physical well being.
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It's a really poor attempt at a bot he is one. It's only been programmed with GDP or Services as responses.david37 said:
within hours of a deal being announced and before it was published your superior brain and negotiating skills announce what is so wrong?surrey_commuter said:
How could it be worse? He missed 80% of the economy. I guess if I had missed services and fishing I could have got to 80.1%.david37 said:
Glass always totally empty still. I wish you were negotiating it would have gone swimmingly.surrey_commuter said:
Depending upon how you look at it this will come to be seen as the biggest omission or biggest accomplishment and in many ways symptomatic of the exclusion of 80% of the UK economy from Boris’s world beating FTA.TheBigBean said:
Doesn't have free movement of people either. Lots of things it doesn't have that weren't expected.rick_chasey said:
Worth reiterating.TheBigBean said:
Have you been following the last 9 months?rick_chasey said:No fs passporting
Makes a difference to my job
But I am genuinely interested how you feel it could have been worse.
You are a political social media bot and I claim my £5
More likely he is just a fucking idiot -1 -
So we will have less scope to act independently than when we were part of the EU?rjsterry said:
This 'they were holding us back' nonsense never dies does it.Stevo_666 said:
Hard to predict, but probably more than before now we have more freedom to do so.rick_chasey said:Post Brexit world. You know what I mean.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Are you talking about the EU FS industry?rick_chasey said:
FS has essentially been given “no deal” and has materially less optionality as an industry than it did."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
