BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

john80

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

elbowloh

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

What,under the EU system, made us sign up a Chinese state energy company and
a French company to build a nuclear reactor rather than a UK firm? I honestly don't know.

john80

elbowloh said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

What,under the EU system, made us sign up a Chinese state energy company to build a nuclear reactor? I honestly don't know.

Because we had no ambition. Maybe that will continue. Any government that thinks infrastructure builds with long payback times and high capital costs are best left to the private sector are kidding themselves. We built our AGR stations from the profits of the prior running Magnox stations.

pblakeney

john80 said:

You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.

100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".

rick_chasey

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

😂😂😂😂😂

Hilarious joke aside are you suggesting that MPs were not uk focused before?.

coopster_the_1st

There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today

It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost

pblakeney

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

I now accept that you are a parody account. Carry on.

elbowloh

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.

100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".

Its like the rellies who are in hospital or care and you ask them about the nurse and the first thing they say is "they're black*, but they're alright"

*may not always use this word

john80

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.

100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".

You know a lot of racists personally. Might want to reflect on that.

pblakeney

john80 said:

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.

100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".

You know a lot of racists personally. Might want to reflect on that.

As I said, carry on.

coopster_the_1st

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

You keep pulling the racism card and it amuses me as you either think that you live in a country where 52% of the electorate are racists or you know you are talking bollocks but continue to do so for a laugh. It has no more basis in fact than stating group X are a load of kiddy fiddler's. It demeans your argument and is embarrassing. The funniest thing is you would be first to round on those with ridiculous generalisations.

100% of the Pro-Brexit voters that I know personally admit to being racist so it is not too hard to accept 52% being racist. A common response is "Oh them, they're alright, but not the other lot.".

The loser remoaner bollox is really coming out today

john80

rick_chasey said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

😂😂😂😂😂

Hilarious joke aside are you suggesting that MPs were not uk focused before?.

MPs have been tinkering around the edges without good leadership for decades. Why do the Chinese insist on local criteria for entrants to their market but the UK does not. We have a lot of wind turbines around the UK with little to no involvement with UK manufacture. The Chinese would have laughed Vestas back on the plane with that approach in China.

elbowloh

john80 said:

rick_chasey said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

😂😂😂😂😂

Hilarious joke aside are you suggesting that MPs were not uk focused before?.

MPs have been tinkering around the edges without good leadership for decades. Why do the Chinese insist on local criteria for entrants to their market but the UK does not. We have a lot of wind turbines around the UK with little to no involvement with UK manufacture. The Chinese would have laughed Vestas back on the plane with that approach in China.

So nothing to do with being part of the EU. It;s about paying the least amount of money.

I do know that every government/council funded project i have been part of has to use a certain amount of local SMEs and % of local labour. This includes small jobs right up to HS2

rick_chasey

Why? Because the communists don’t really believe in the free market.

coopster_the_1st

The SNP want a No-Deal exit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55459286

It's a strange one but this must mean it is a good deal because they would be happy for England to get a bad deal

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

I now accept that you are a parody account. Carry on.

And you think the Brits competing with seasonal benefits is OK?
And the 3rd benefit of Brexit is that we rely on central Govt to identify the skills we need from immigrants.

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

I now accept that you are a parody account. Carry on.

And you think the Brits competing with seasonal benefits is OK?
And the 3rd benefit of Brexit is that we rely on central Govt to identify the skills we need from immigrants.

If you are asking what I think then I'll repeat what I've thought for a decade or more. The reason we had foreign seasonal workers is because the locals didn't want the work. They still don't.

rjsterry

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

Have you read the agreement yet? On the basis of that statement I'm guessing not.

kingstongraham

coopster_the_1st said:

There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today

It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost

No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.

Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.

First.Aspect

coopster_the_1st said:

The SNP want a No-Deal exit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55459286

It's a strange one but this must mean it is a good deal because they would be happy for England to get a bad deal

Not sure you can read too much into the SNP being against something. Confirms that their own agenda is more important than the immediate welfare of its electorate. But that's about it.

pblakeney

First.Aspect said:

coopster_the_1st said:

The SNP want a No-Deal exit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55459286

It's a strange one but this must mean it is a good deal because they would be happy for England to get a bad deal

Not sure you can read too much into the SNP being against something. Confirms that their own agenda is more important than the immediate welfare of its electorate. But that's about it.

Win/win/win for them. They get a protest vote in, they know it will pass anyway and they will reap the benefits, plus they get to say "told you so" if it goes pear shaped.

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

coopster_the_1st said:

There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today

It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost

No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.

Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.

Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

coopster_the_1st said:

There's a lot of despondency from the remoaners on here today

It's like they are finally facing up to the fact that they have lost

No, we won this last bit. Still tied to EU rules for the foreseeable, and tariff free trade as the payoff.

Lost everything else, but this is as good as it could be.

Given its two way, are the EU tied to UK rules?

Good luck to em

rick_chasey

The dilemma for labour is not a dilemma.

Brexit has already happened. It’s just no deal vs this.

They owned it when they had a 3 line whip to enact article 50

john80

rick_chasey said:

The dilemma for labour is not a dilemma.

Brexit has already happened. It’s just no deal vs this.

They owned it when they had a 3 line whip to enact article 50

This is one of the rare things we agree on.

john80

elbowloh said:

john80 said:

rick_chasey said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

If there is a world of opportunities out there, how come I have yet to see a single report into how better off we will be once we're out of the Union?

My impression is that there aren't many opportunities that we didn't have already. Yes, we can in principle have a trade agreement with the US and maybe even China, but are they really going to bring any prosperity?
It's not that free trade per se is a good thing... you also need something to actually trade and if we aren't already trading it, then it's probably because there is no demand for it...

We're not in the EU, we can rack up as much debt as we like... but we don't want to... ultimately, we will follow pretty similar rules but maybe allow bananas of any shape to enter the market... is this what ultimately is all about? Having the freedom to trade in ounces and pounds and not having anyone supervising our finances?
It's not that when my parents stopped having a say on my finances I suddenly became wealthy...

1600 pages on and you still think brexit was a purely GDP based decision.

Name the things that are easier to do with a weaker economy.

Or take a flagship Brexit policy and explain how it is easier to achieve with a weaker economy and lower tax revenues.
1) levelling up the north
2) £350m extra a week for the NHS

There are a load of things that are easier to do with the current Brexit deal than before. Your inability to see that is not my problem. We could change the benefits system to allow people to move seamlessly between working and not working giving Brits the ability to compete with seasonal workers. We could launch a third generation of modular nuclear reactors built in the UK and transform our economy into a electrical one with much looser state aid rules. We could have an actual immigration policy that was interested in your skills and not give you a pass because you are in the EU. The reality is we are only limited by the imagination of the UK population and parliament. In ten years time if we keep electing politicians that are UK focussed then people will look back on this forum with some amusement.

😂😂😂😂😂

Hilarious joke aside are you suggesting that MPs were not uk focused before?.

MPs have been tinkering around the edges without good leadership for decades. Why do the Chinese insist on local criteria for entrants to their market but the UK does not. We have a lot of wind turbines around the UK with little to no involvement with UK manufacture. The Chinese would have laughed Vestas back on the plane with that approach in China.

So nothing to do with being part of the EU. It;s about paying the least amount of money.

I do know that every government/council funded project i have been part of has to use a certain amount of local SMEs and % of local labour. This includes small jobs right up to HS2

This does not get you the strategic long term investment you need unfortunately.

Stevo_666

Cheer up you lot, even the predictions of massive food price inflation are dropping away now.

https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55460948

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

Cheer up you lot, even the predictions of massive food price inflation are dropping away now.

https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55460948

You mean... the thing that was predicted if there was no deal isn't happening?? Why could this be?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Cheer up you lot, even the predictions of massive food price inflation are dropping away now.

https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55460948

You mean... the thing that was predicted if there was no deal isn't happening?? Why could this be?

A reasonable deal was struck? Say thanks to Boris and Frosty.

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

First.Aspect said:

coopster_the_1st said:

The SNP want a No-Deal exit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55459286

It's a strange one but this must mean it is a good deal because they would be happy for England to get a bad deal

Not sure you can read too much into the SNP being against something. Confirms that their own agenda is more important than the immediate welfare of its electorate. But that's about it.

Win/win/win for them. They get a protest vote in, they know it will pass anyway and they will reap the benefits, plus they get to say "told you so" if it goes pear shaped.

Not so sure. The longer that pretty much nothing changes, the worse it is for them.