BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Who are your EU26?TheBigBean said:
Some of this is factually incorrect. The 25% cut is phased in over five years as opposed to starting after five years. Also, UK services didn't have complete access before, and it's hard for the EU to prevent a service being contracted in the UK and worked on in the UK. Plus I'm intrigued about the 30th Country. I have EU26, plus Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. Andorra?ddraver said:
I assume they mean EEA0 -
Jeez, you're really going with, "it's not physical sheets of paper, so doesn't count as paperwork"?TheBigBean said:
It's not even paperwork. It's an app.elbowloh said:
Is it just a but of paperwork? Are you sure about that?john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
On the basis I have spent over £10k and wasted days on reading documents to submit hundreds of pages of supporting information for the equivalent status as can be obtained by spending 5 mins on a free app, I'm not that sympathetic.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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So, as per the OP, a family that has based their lives and fortunes on being part of the EU can sort it all out in 5 mins on an app? Are you honestly telling the truth?TheBigBean said:
It's not even paperwork. It's an app.elbowloh said:
Is it just a but of paperwork? Are you sure about that?john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
On the basis I have spent over £10k and wasted days on reading documents to submit hundreds of pages of supporting information for the equivalent status as can be obtained by spending 5 mins on a free app, I'm not that sympathetic.0 -
john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
Do you really have no sympathy with anybody who loses their job or business because we left the EU?
Does anybody know if this deal means truckers no longer need a permit to drive in the EU?0 -
From what I've seen they will still be able to make visits, but will now be limited to a single delivery and pick up per visit. Which obviously limits what they can do and stuffs anyone wanting to export small loads economically. Also, I think I saw that SPS equivalence hasn't been included, so that's another limitation.surrey_commuter said:john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
Do you really have no sympathy with anybody who loses their job or business because we left the EU?
Does anybody know if this deal means truckers no longer need a permit to drive in the EU?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Certainly the case for my colleagues.elbowloh said:
So, as per the OP, a family that has based their lives and fortunes on being part of the EU can sort it all out in 5 mins on an app? Are you honestly telling the truth?TheBigBean said:
It's not even paperwork. It's an app.elbowloh said:
Is it just a but of paperwork? Are you sure about that?john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
On the basis I have spent over £10k and wasted days on reading documents to submit hundreds of pages of supporting information for the equivalent status as can be obtained by spending 5 mins on a free app, I'm not that sympathetic.0 -
I've acknowledged it takes some admin. Just stated my view on the sympathy scale. Other people may be more sympathetic.rjsterry said:
Jeez, you're really going with, "it's not physical sheets of paper, so doesn't count as paperwork"?TheBigBean said:
It's not even paperwork. It's an app.elbowloh said:
Is it just a but of paperwork? Are you sure about that?john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
On the basis I have spent over £10k and wasted days on reading documents to submit hundreds of pages of supporting information for the equivalent status as can be obtained by spending 5 mins on a free app, I'm not that sympathetic.0 -
EU26 = EU27 - Irelandsurrey_commuter said:
Who are your EU26?TheBigBean said:
Some of this is factually incorrect. The 25% cut is phased in over five years as opposed to starting after five years. Also, UK services didn't have complete access before, and it's hard for the EU to prevent a service being contracted in the UK and worked on in the UK. Plus I'm intrigued about the 30th Country. I have EU26, plus Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. Andorra?ddraver said:
I assume they mean EEA0 -
Splitting up of families is happening though, and it seems it's not "a bit of paperwork" to sort it. A colleague of mine, sounds very English but is a Dutch citizen, has had his application to remain rejected. I don't know the reasons given, but he was led to believe it was just a formality. So from Jan 1st he's expected to "return home", leaving his son here with his ex-wife.john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Obviously it's not dragging them apart with physical force, but I'd say that's in the "forcefully splitting up families" category.0 -
It's for those claiming things to back up their claims. It is a common theme here for people to tug at the heart strings with claims they don't back up. My question back is why was it OK to give my mates wife from Croatia a qualified naval architect a harder time than a Polish car washer. So in summary we will hopefully have a points style based immigration system which will likely be based on skills we need rather than the inherently discriminatory system that we have had for the duration of EU freedom of movement. If I wanted to emigrate there is nothing stopping me and j respect the host countries right to choose their preferences as it is eminently sensible.elbowloh said:
Is it just a but of paperwork? Are you sure about that?john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
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Pretty much everyone has sympathy however most can also look beyond the short term and realise that those most worthy of employment are adaptable. History tells you this is a key skill in the employment market.surrey_commuter said:john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
Do you really have no sympathy with anybody who loses their job or business because we left the EU?
Does anybody know if this deal means truckers no longer need a permit to drive in the EU?0 -
joenobody said:
Splitting up of families is happening though, and it seems it's not "a bit of paperwork" to sort it. A colleague of mine, sounds very English but is a Dutch citizen, has had his application to remain rejected. I don't know the reasons given, but he was led to believe it was just a formality. So from Jan 1st he's expected to "return home", leaving his son here with his ex-wife.john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Obviously it's not dragging them apart with physical force, but I'd say that's in the "forcefully splitting up families" category.
That sounds strange. My wife is Dutch, has lived in the UK for 28 years, and went through the process a few months ago. It was really quite straightforward and in fact a fair bit easier than the pain we’re currently going through to get Dutch passports for our 2 sons. I know that quite a few people don’t immediately have their right to remain granted and have to submit additional documents etc, but I’d be really surprised if your colleague has point blank had it rejected.0 -
It all seems fairly arbitrary.kingstonian said:joenobody said:
Splitting up of families is happening though, and it seems it's not "a bit of paperwork" to sort it. A colleague of mine, sounds very English but is a Dutch citizen, has had his application to remain rejected. I don't know the reasons given, but he was led to believe it was just a formality. So from Jan 1st he's expected to "return home", leaving his son here with his ex-wife.john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Obviously it's not dragging them apart with physical force, but I'd say that's in the "forcefully splitting up families" category.
That sounds strange. My wife is Dutch, has lived in the UK for 28 years, and went through the process a few months ago. It was really quite straightforward and in fact a fair bit easier than the pain we’re currently going through to get Dutch passports for our 2 sons. I know that quite a few people don’t immediately have their right to remain granted and have to submit additional documents etc, but I’d be really surprised if your colleague has point blank had it rejected.
I know one couple (out of an awful lot) who had this and it makes no sense why they would have been rejected.
But it’s a small proportion.
The point is more it has been taken away. I don’t know why you find that difficult to understand john or BB.
As I’ve said before BB your experience of a non-EU system shouldn’t want you to bring everyone else down to a worse level.0 -
Given this is the internet I will need a bit more detail before I offer my condolences. He has had 4 years to mitigate this risk. Was he just thinking on the rosy side.joenobody said:
Splitting up of families is happening though, and it seems it's not "a bit of paperwork" to sort it. A colleague of mine, sounds very English but is a Dutch citizen, has had his application to remain rejected. I don't know the reasons given, but he was led to believe it was just a formality. So from Jan 1st he's expected to "return home", leaving his son here with his ex-wife.john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Obviously it's not dragging them apart with physical force, but I'd say that's in the "forcefully splitting up families" category.0 -
Lol John you think you sound all hard but you’re just coming across as a pr!ck, give it a rest.
I don’t think you’ve ever said “I have sympathy” so let’s end it there0 -
That is what we did have but the British kept moaning that immigrants were taking the jobs.john80 said:
Pretty much everyone has sympathy however most can also look beyond the short term and realise that those most worthy of employment are adaptable. History tells you this is a key skill in the employment market.surrey_commuter said:john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.rick_chasey said:It’s unfortunate Brexiters don’t have more sympathy for people and families who built their lives off the back of EU membership.
Do you really have no sympathy with anybody who loses their job or business because we left the EU?
Does anybody know if this deal means truckers no longer need a permit to drive in the EU?
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Yes, but I'm not allowed to say that.surrey_commuter said:
On the plus side is NI not still in the EU?tailwindhome said:If you want to move a parcel from GB to NI, Yodel will still provide that service
It's not straightforward and may change
Many companies have just stopped serving NI (at least temporarily until they figure it out)
Just like I'm also not allowed to call that whole system Customs...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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So some years ago my wife (Dutch citizen) applied for UK nationality (predicting the whole Brexshit nonsense). I was amazed that some of the validation criteria involved having private health insurance if you’ve not worked. To have used the NHS counted towards invalidating the application. Luckily she’d worked and gone through PAYE/NI so was covered. But had she not worked in the UK it would have been very different. And here’s the main point - there was no info available anywhere referencing this criteria.
I can understand why people get caught out. I can’t understand the sanctimonious “oh it’s so easy” people who have an opinion but no experience.
I’d have hoped getting Dutch passports for UK-born kids was relatively easy if they were born to a Dutch citizen. We’re going to be going through that process soon, seeing if we can get them dual nationality. I’d never provide on opinion on it without having tried though.
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And something else - every bloody Telegraph article on Brexit should be replaced with a Great Gatsby quote. Some of the worst parochial jingoistic bollox journalism I’ve read in a while.
“ So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”0 -
It's Brexit though so anyone commenting on a problem they didn't have previously is dismissed as an ill-prepared remoaner looking to find problems in the brave new world instead of praising all the new found benefits of independence.pinkbikini said:So some years ago my wife (Dutch citizen) applied for UK nationality (predicting the whole Brexshit nonsense). I was amazed that some of the validation criteria involved having private health insurance if you’ve not worked. To have used the NHS counted towards invalidating the application. Luckily she’d worked and gone through PAYE/NI so was covered. But had she not worked in the UK it would have been very different. And here’s the main point - there was no info available anywhere referencing this criteria.
I can understand why people get caught out. I can’t understand the sanctimonious “oh it’s so easy” people who have an opinion but no experience.
I’d have hoped getting Dutch passports for UK-born kids was relatively easy if they were born to a Dutch citizen. We’re going to be going through that process soon, seeing if we can get them dual nationality. I’d never provide on opinion on it without having tried though.0 -
I'm guessing your hobby job is a 2 a penny skill amongst the locals so they can find someone equally as qualified as you.ddraver said:And again, my promising career and life in my dream location has ended because of racists and for zero benefit to the country...but I had some.time to prepare so it's ok...
Erm....F*ck off?!!
I have no problem that our young will have to be a bit more qualified than a nightclub 'host' or a chalet girl to get jobs in the EU.
Maybe ask if the US or Canada will let you take one of the jobs instead of the locals and see how they respond. Probably similar to the last 3 words of your post!0 -
pinkbikini said:
So some years ago my wife (Dutch citizen) applied for UK nationality (predicting the whole Brexshit nonsense). I was amazed that some of the validation criteria involved having private health insurance if you’ve not worked. To have used the NHS counted towards invalidating the application. Luckily she’d worked and gone through PAYE/NI so was covered. But had she not worked in the UK it would have been very different. And here’s the main point - there was no info available anywhere referencing this criteria.
I can understand why people get caught out. I can’t understand the sanctimonious “oh it’s so easy” people who have an opinion but no experience.
I’d have hoped getting Dutch passports for UK-born kids was relatively easy if they were born to a Dutch citizen. We’re going to be going through that process soon, seeing if we can get them dual nationality. I’d never provide on opinion on it without having tried though.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, we’re going through the Dutch passport application for our kids. Unfortunately it all has to be done in person at the Dutch embassy in London rather than online or through the post.0 -
Was it a promising career. What metric was it promising if some fairly minor change scuppered it. You might want to get out of a country where 52% are racists.ddraver said:And again, my promising career and life in my dream location has ended because of racists and for zero benefit to the country...but I had some.time to prepare so it's ok...
Erm....F*ck off?!!0 -
You have given us 1600 pages of being a pr!ck.rick_chasey said:Lol John you think you sound all hard but you’re just coming across as a pr!ck, give it a rest.
I don’t think you’ve ever said “I have sympathy” so let’s end it there0 -
He could try Scotland and see how his skills transfer. I hear they are very welcoming of anyone English taking a locals jobjohn80 said:
Was it a promising career. What metric was it promising if some fairly minor change scuppered it. You might want to get out of a country where 52% are racists.ddraver said:And again, my promising career and life in my dream location has ended because of racists and for zero benefit to the country...but I had some.time to prepare so it's ok...
Erm....F*ck off?!!
They make reply with the last 3 words of his post, but a bit more Scottishy
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His intention was to get out of the country. That seems to be crux of his post, he can no longer freely work in the country of his choice.john80 said:
Was it a promising career. What metric was it promising if some fairly minor change scuppered it. You might want to get out of a country where 52% are racists.ddraver said:And again, my promising career and life in my dream location has ended because of racists and for zero benefit to the country...but I had some.time to prepare so it's ok...
Erm....F*ck off?!!
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Not such a problem if you’re London-based I suppose. My wife spent a lot of time at the Dutch embassy during her UK citizenship application, laughing with them at the levels of bureaucracy exhibited by the Home Office. I’d always thought the Dutch love of paperwork was incredible, and was amazed that in the UK we could outdo them. World-leaders really.kingstonian said:pinkbikini said:So some years ago my wife (Dutch citizen) applied for UK nationality (predicting the whole Brexshit nonsense). I was amazed that some of the validation criteria involved having private health insurance if you’ve not worked. To have used the NHS counted towards invalidating the application. Luckily she’d worked and gone through PAYE/NI so was covered. But had she not worked in the UK it would have been very different. And here’s the main point - there was no info available anywhere referencing this criteria.
I can understand why people get caught out. I can’t understand the sanctimonious “oh it’s so easy” people who have an opinion but no experience.
I’d have hoped getting Dutch passports for UK-born kids was relatively easy if they were born to a Dutch citizen. We’re going to be going through that process soon, seeing if we can get them dual nationality. I’d never provide on opinion on it without having tried though.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, we’re going through the Dutch passport application for our kids. Unfortunately it all has to be done in person at the Dutch embassy in London rather than online or through the post.0 -
Not sure that's the case. Spain looks a nightmare from what I've seen an Grand Designs, Italy as well I think. A colleague has just moved back from Austria and they loved red tape but I think we're quite efficient with it.0
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In 1998 my right to drive a 7.5tonne hgv or tow a trailer was taken away by the EU standardisation of driving tests as prior to this year I could not sit the test. Cost me quite a bit of money to get these benefits that were given to everyone else prior. Freedom of movement was a unnecessary freedom that has not enhanced the EU cause and is one of the main reasons the UK is where it is. A simple working visa system would have allowed people to work across borders and those that want to live abroad could emigrate accordingly.rick_chasey said:
It all seems fairly arbitrary.kingstonian said:joenobody said:
Splitting up of families is happening though, and it seems it's not "a bit of paperwork" to sort it. A colleague of mine, sounds very English but is a Dutch citizen, has had his application to remain rejected. I don't know the reasons given, but he was led to believe it was just a formality. So from Jan 1st he's expected to "return home", leaving his son here with his ex-wife.john80 said:
When they start putting foreign nationals in the gullag and forcefully splitting up families I will start to take you seriously. If it is a bit of paperwork then no I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Obviously it's not dragging them apart with physical force, but I'd say that's in the "forcefully splitting up families" category.
That sounds strange. My wife is Dutch, has lived in the UK for 28 years, and went through the process a few months ago. It was really quite straightforward and in fact a fair bit easier than the pain we’re currently going through to get Dutch passports for our 2 sons. I know that quite a few people don’t immediately have their right to remain granted and have to submit additional documents etc, but I’d be really surprised if your colleague has point blank had it rejected.
I know one couple (out of an awful lot) who had this and it makes no sense why they would have been rejected.
But it’s a small proportion.
The point is more it has been taken away. I don’t know why you find that difficult to understand john or BB.
As I’ve said before BB your experience of a non-EU system shouldn’t want you to bring everyone else down to a worse level.
For those that are interested in the process instead of mate of a mate stories the process is here.
https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families/eligibility
It is not onerous and caters for those living in the UK for over and under 5 years.0
