BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
Comments
-
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.0 -
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I’m expecting the U.K. to “choose” to go along with a fair bit of EU stuff without a say on it.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
The wording on level playing field suggests punitive measures otherwise for either side .
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons.
0 -
That was the claim of some on here during the negotiations. It was Eurobollox then and it most likely still is now.rick_chasey said:
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Are you sure about this deal?Stevo_666 said:
Not so much won but as mentioned above, the deal is closer to what we wanted than what the EU wanted. Plus her continuing inability to understand sovereignty, which is a grey scale - but we have definitely moved along the scale in the right directionkingstongraham said:
The massive assumption behind the whole article. Plus... The taking of Johnson at face value when he's happy in a press conference. The assumption that Von Der Leyen not being outwardly happy means that Britain has "won". The idea that sovereignty is an on/off switch. The idea that it's a good thing we aren't working with our European neighbours any more etc.Stevo_666 said:
If I see articles with merit then I'll post them. Which bits of that article do you disagree with?kingstongraham said:Stevo, you know how you should view the Guardian comment section? The same goes for the Telegraph.
Who says we aren't working with our European neighbours any more? We are, but more on our terms than before.
You were sure about the WA.
Turned out you just weren't paying attention
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
What was wrong with the withdrawal agreement? As you know, I said it was a good compromise, and I still think that is the case.tailwindhome said:
Are you sure about this deal?Stevo_666 said:
Not so much won but as mentioned above, the deal is closer to what we wanted than what the EU wanted. Plus her continuing inability to understand sovereignty, which is a grey scale - but we have definitely moved along the scale in the right directionkingstongraham said:
The massive assumption behind the whole article. Plus... The taking of Johnson at face value when he's happy in a press conference. The assumption that Von Der Leyen not being outwardly happy means that Britain has "won". The idea that sovereignty is an on/off switch. The idea that it's a good thing we aren't working with our European neighbours any more etc.Stevo_666 said:
If I see articles with merit then I'll post them. Which bits of that article do you disagree with?kingstongraham said:Stevo, you know how you should view the Guardian comment section? The same goes for the Telegraph.
Who says we aren't working with our European neighbours any more? We are, but more on our terms than before.
You were sure about the WA.
Turned out you just weren't paying attention0 -
It's subject to abitration, so there would need to be a leigtimate case, and it works both ways.rick_chasey said:
I’m expecting the U.K. to “choose” to go along with a fair bit of EU stuff without a say on it.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
The wording on level playing field suggests punitive measures otherwise for either side .
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons.0 -
Sure. But it’s not the independence the Brexiters think it is.TheBigBean said:
It's subject to abitration, so there would need to be a leigtimate case, and it works both ways.rick_chasey said:
I’m expecting the U.K. to “choose” to go along with a fair bit of EU stuff without a say on it.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
The wording on level playing field suggests punitive measures otherwise for either side .
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons.
0 -
Really?Stevo_666 said:
Supports my point table that there a few Ursulas on here. You don't appear to get the sovereignty thing.kingstongraham said:Sure, sure. I think this deal will turn out to mean we are rule takers, which I don't think is sustainable. Any deal that was achievable would have been the same.
In what way were we not rule takers when part of a 28 member club that decided many of the rules that applied to the UK?
We were part of the rule making body. Now we aren't. We were rule makers.0 -
Honestly Xmas Eve was only the end of the beginning0 -
This deal feels to me like being a Manchester United coming third in the group stages of the champions league. When you went into the last match knowing only third or fourth were possible.
Sure, you aren't winners, but at least you haven't come last and still get to try to win a competition you didn't want to be in. It's that level of happiness.
0 -
-
It’s not a game and each sides had different objectives.
I like the Brexiter idea Stevo referred to that because the EU didn’t want the U.K. to leave by leaving on “hard terms” the EU lost ergo the U.K. won.
I mean, it’s just wonderfully moronic.1 -
You are confusing independence with the possibility of tariffs, and forgetting that it works both ways. The UK can now increase standards and be protectionist should it want to be. That doesn't mean that the EU is not independent.rick_chasey said:
Sure. But it’s not the independence the Brexiters think it is.TheBigBean said:
It's subject to abitration, so there would need to be a leigtimate case, and it works both ways.rick_chasey said:
I’m expecting the U.K. to “choose” to go along with a fair bit of EU stuff without a say on it.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
The wording on level playing field suggests punitive measures otherwise for either side .
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons.0 -
But winning is the only important thing to Johnson (and Stevo). If the other side (both you, Rick and the EU) are unhappy, then they must have lost. Therefore their opponents must have won.rick_chasey said:Winners / losers is the wrong way to look at it.
That's half of the telegraph article quoted above.0 -
My point was that the celebration is at the level of getting something that isn't as bad as it could have been. Like treading in something and it turns out it's only mud.0
-
There are more positive ways to look at it.kingstongraham said:My point was that the celebration is at the level of getting something that isn't as bad as it could have been. Like treading in something and it turns out it's only mud.
1 -
This outcome would make me quite happy in the moment.TheBigBean said:
There are more positive ways to look at it.kingstongraham said:My point was that the celebration is at the level of getting something that isn't as bad as it could have been. Like treading in something and it turns out it's only mud.
0 -
Not sure what you mean.tailwindhome said:
Are you sure about this deal?Stevo_666 said:
Not so much won but as mentioned above, the deal is closer to what we wanted than what the EU wanted. Plus her continuing inability to understand sovereignty, which is a grey scale - but we have definitely moved along the scale in the right directionkingstongraham said:
The massive assumption behind the whole article. Plus... The taking of Johnson at face value when he's happy in a press conference. The assumption that Von Der Leyen not being outwardly happy means that Britain has "won". The idea that sovereignty is an on/off switch. The idea that it's a good thing we aren't working with our European neighbours any more etc.Stevo_666 said:
If I see articles with merit then I'll post them. Which bits of that article do you disagree with?kingstongraham said:Stevo, you know how you should view the Guardian comment section? The same goes for the Telegraph.
Who says we aren't working with our European neighbours any more? We are, but more on our terms than before.
You were sure about the WA.
Turned out you just weren't paying attention
The details will take time to digest but overall this appears to be close to what we were aiming for with a Canada type deal (but no quotas) and substantial freedom to do what we want."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Where did I say that? It achieves a lot of the UK aims however, as stated above.kingstongraham said:
But winning is the only important thing to Johnson (and Stevo). If the other side (both you, Rick and the EU) are unhappy, then they must have lost. Therefore their opponents must have won.rick_chasey said:Winners / losers is the wrong way to look at it.
That's half of the telegraph article quoted above.
Quite a few of you really do seem to be going for the consolation prize and claiming 'well the UK didn't get everything it wanted , so there. Clearly there were compromises on both sides - that's how negotiations work.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Wait
Everyone's just throwing the Internal Markets Bill which had to be introduced due to the Withdrawal Agreement, that Parliament didn't scrutinize before passing and then couldn't possibly accept, into the old memory hole?
Ok
None of that happened.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Good point. Rick seems to going for the consolation prizes, which tells us what we need to know.TheBigBean said:
You are confusing independence with the possibility of tariffs, and forgetting that it works both ways. The UK can now increase standards and be protectionist should it want to be. That doesn't mean that the EU is not independent.rick_chasey said:
Sure. But it’s not the independence the Brexiters think it is.TheBigBean said:
It's subject to abitration, so there would need to be a leigtimate case, and it works both ways.rick_chasey said:
I’m expecting the U.K. to “choose” to go along with a fair bit of EU stuff without a say on it.Stevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
The wording on level playing field suggests punitive measures otherwise for either side .
These things generally work on the basis of who is bigger does the leading for obvious reasons."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So, does it mean we get to bend over for the Americans now? 😉0
-
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
-
I think the UK government did get most of what it was looking for, most recently. Counts as a win.Stevo_666 said:
Where did I say that? It achieves a lot of the UK aims however, as stated above.kingstongraham said:
But winning is the only important thing to Johnson (and Stevo). If the other side (both you, Rick and the EU) are unhappy, then they must have lost. Therefore their opponents must have won.rick_chasey said:Winners / losers is the wrong way to look at it.
That's half of the telegraph article quoted above.
Quite a few of you really do seem to be going for the consolation prize and claiming 'well the UK didn't get everything it wanted , so there. Clearly there were compromises on both sides - that's how negotiations work.0 -
This is as logical as Scotlands position. There is this magical idea that if a majority did not vote to leave the EU then it can't possibly be valid within a subset of voters. It is about as valid as saying a London MPs constituency did not vote for Brexit therefore it is not valid. Northern Ireland's voters might want to reflect on why they have been returning the DUP and Sinn Fein repeatedly with little positive domestic result before they start moaning about Brexit.tailwindhome said:0 -
This has nothing to do with any of thatjohn80 said:
This is as logical as Scotlands position. There is this magical idea that if a majority did not vote to leave the EU then it can't possibly be valid within a subset of voters. It is about as valid as saying a London MPs constituency did not vote for Brexit therefore it is not valid. Northern Ireland's voters might want to reflect on why they have been returning the DUP and Sinn Fein repeatedly with little positive domestic result before they start moaning about Brexit.tailwindhome said:
Ben Habib is claiming "we" didn't vote for what he literally voted for in the EU Parliament.
It fairness it's so blatant as to be scarcely believable.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Did you know, there is no collective noun for coopsters. He stands alone, in his own special world, isolated from the rest of humanity. No wonder he wants isolation for the rest of us.coopster_the_1st said:Did you know, the collective noun for remoaners is a "runt of remoaners"
0 -
no, uk citizens can now do less than beforeStevo_666 said:
I'll rephrase that - we can do a lot more than before.rick_chasey said:
Well no not exactly as you want. As per above.Stevo_666 said:
Whatever we want - which is exactly the pointrick_chasey said:
So what do you do with all this expensive sovereignty?Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think this is the point - it looks more independent than it will be in reality.rick_chasey said:
Only time will tell whether it is expensive.
Sounds like you don't like that. C'est la vie, as we say in England
it's a massive stripping of individuals' rights
sounds like you like thatmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0
