BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Shock, Horror! Heseltine comes out as being against Brexit. Who knew?rick_chasey said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/13/brexit-is-the-worst-decision-of-modern-times-why-are-its-critics-in-cabinet-so-silent
Normally wouldn't post an opinion article, but it's Heseltine, so.
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pangolin said:
Portaloosrick_chasey said:Am quite enjoying finding things that are bigger than UK fishing.
Rockstar games.
Fish and chip shops0 -
Deal day.
Here we go.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Someone posted an article the other day where a French fisherman said Dutch trawlers were the real enemy, Another Brexit upside would be if such trawlers could be prevented from operating - they seem to be a pretty blunt way of fishing.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure I read that one Dutch boat owns one quarter of the UK quota - that is so ridiculous I may have dreamt it but if we double our tonnage does everybody keep their % the same or do we allocate new tons to proper British boats?darkhairedlord said:
The English fishermen sold their quotas to the Spanish and now want them back. Sellers remorse....pangolin said:
Sorry, I should have said actual issue.david37 said:pangolin said:I still don't understand what our issue with the current fishing arrangements is. Actually that goes for a lot of our current arrangements with the EU but fishing is the one we're being told we care about.
Any brexit supporters care to enlighten me?
its a point of principal. Plus we have the best fishing grounds.
It's a genuine question. Currently we are free to fish our waters and theirs. We have a large quota which we are free to sell off after we catch it or sell off to others to allow them to catch it. Portraying this as a problem of "principle" is disingenuous, unless I'm missing something.
We could claim sole access to our waters, throw all quotas out the window and fish them to fuk, but not if we want our small fishing industry to last another generation.0 -
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They would not lose access to their main market. You are either deliberately lying or demonstrating a complete lack of understanding.briantrumpet said:It's been amusing seeing lots of comments on a Brixham photo group encouraging Johnson to crash out with no deal "in support of our fishermen", ignoring the fact that they'd lose the ability to access their main market.
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Barnier confirms the EU are prepared to insert a clause in the trade deal which confirms the UK is the cleverest, handsomest, bestest boy ever.
Phew!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Fishing is hard and dangerous work, would we ban British trawlers from selling off their quotas again?TheBigBean said:
Someone posted an article the other day where a French fisherman said Dutch trawlers were the real enemy, Another Brexit upside would be if such trawlers could be prevented from operating - they seem to be a pretty blunt way of fishing.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure I read that one Dutch boat owns one quarter of the UK quota - that is so ridiculous I may have dreamt it but if we double our tonnage does everybody keep their % the same or do we allocate new tons to proper British boats?darkhairedlord said:
The English fishermen sold their quotas to the Spanish and now want them back. Sellers remorse....pangolin said:
Sorry, I should have said actual issue.david37 said:pangolin said:I still don't understand what our issue with the current fishing arrangements is. Actually that goes for a lot of our current arrangements with the EU but fishing is the one we're being told we care about.
Any brexit supporters care to enlighten me?
its a point of principal. Plus we have the best fishing grounds.
It's a genuine question. Currently we are free to fish our waters and theirs. We have a large quota which we are free to sell off after we catch it or sell off to others to allow them to catch it. Portraying this as a problem of "principle" is disingenuous, unless I'm missing something.
We could claim sole access to our waters, throw all quotas out the window and fish them to fuk, but not if we want our small fishing industry to last another generation.
Have we checked whether they want bigger quotas or would prefer a sackful of money?
There are only 6,000 British trawlers so why not offer them £1m each for their quotas (they can keep the boat) anybody who does not cash in can be reallocated these quotas and the EU can continue as they were.
If 80% sold out then it would still only cost £5bn0 -
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,0 -
Sounds like Macron might be about to shaft himself. Hopefully with a UK made productrick_chasey said:Please offer your “withdrawal agreement” jokes
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
rick_chasey said:
How do you think the softening up has gone?tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
I still think they are tiring up the side deals so it can be announced in one go to keep markets calm0 -
You will need to narrow it down a bit. If you are a French fisherman, everyone is the enemy.TheBigBean said:
Someone posted an article the other day where a French fisherman said Dutch trawlers were the real enemy, Another Brexit upside would be if such trawlers could be prevented from operating - they seem to be a pretty blunt way of fishing.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure I read that one Dutch boat owns one quarter of the UK quota - that is so ridiculous I may have dreamt it but if we double our tonnage does everybody keep their % the same or do we allocate new tons to proper British boats?darkhairedlord said:
The English fishermen sold their quotas to the Spanish and now want them back. Sellers remorse....pangolin said:
Sorry, I should have said actual issue.david37 said:pangolin said:I still don't understand what our issue with the current fishing arrangements is. Actually that goes for a lot of our current arrangements with the EU but fishing is the one we're being told we care about.
Any brexit supporters care to enlighten me?
its a point of principal. Plus we have the best fishing grounds.
It's a genuine question. Currently we are free to fish our waters and theirs. We have a large quota which we are free to sell off after we catch it or sell off to others to allow them to catch it. Portraying this as a problem of "principle" is disingenuous, unless I'm missing something.
We could claim sole access to our waters, throw all quotas out the window and fish them to fuk, but not if we want our small fishing industry to last another generation.0 -
What, you mean the part where Boris et al. realise that to join the local golf club, there's a membership fee, regardless of how good you think you are at golf?TheBigBean said:
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,0 -
A weever fish.Stevo_666 said:
Sounds like Macron might be about to shaft himself. Hopefully with a UK made productrick_chasey said:Please offer your “withdrawal agreement” jokes
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as we are a sovereign nation could we not agree to be bound by whatever they insist upon and then at any point in the future if we want to diverge and don't like the consequences we can end the FTA and trade on WTO terms?TheBigBean said:
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,1 -
surrey_commuter said:
as we are a sovereign nation could we not agree to be bound by whatever they insist upon and then at any point in the future if we want to diverge and don't like the consequences we can end the FTA and trade on WTO terms?TheBigBean said:
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,
Given that we were always free to withdraw from the EU, does that mean we were always a sovereign nation?0 -
There has been very little chat about break clauses in the FTA. I really hope one is included.surrey_commuter said:
as we are a sovereign nation could we not agree to be bound by whatever they insist upon and then at any point in the future if we want to diverge and don't like the consequences we can end the FTA and trade on WTO terms?TheBigBean said:
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,0 -
Presumably they are not usually included because they are mutually beneficial and only a lunatic would walk away. Practically how would you keep somebody in an FTA against their will?TheBigBean said:
There has been very little chat about break clauses in the FTA. I really hope one is included.surrey_commuter said:
as we are a sovereign nation could we not agree to be bound by whatever they insist upon and then at any point in the future if we want to diverge and don't like the consequences we can end the FTA and trade on WTO terms?TheBigBean said:
Now that we have past the point where the agreement can translated into millions of languages and presented to the EU parliament, some form of fudge is going to be required. On that basis, there's still loads of time left.tailwindhome said:Deal day.
Here we go.
It sounds like negotiations that should have started months ago have just begun,
Just sign up and treat it as an extended transition period with us walking away when it suited us.
This would be one of the few occasions when having a charlatan as PM would be an advantage.
So a few billion bunged to the fishermen and we are home for cake and medals.
Starmer won't vote against it so everybody else can fvck off0 -
Good to have you confirm that you don't assess arguments on their merits, Coopster.coopster_the_1st said:
Shock, Horror! Heseltine comes out as being against Brexit. Who knew?rick_chasey said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/13/brexit-is-the-worst-decision-of-modern-times-why-are-its-critics-in-cabinet-so-silent
Normally wouldn't post an opinion article, but it's Heseltine, so.0 -
Why is nobody talking about a clean brexit any more?0
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What was that supposed to be?kingstongraham said:Why is nobody talking about a clean brexit any more?
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Someone quite bright said trade agreements are more about managing our interdependence than our independence.
Thought that was quite good.0 -
Heseltine has shown himself to be an extremist on Brexit and is happy to push his extremist views to ignore democracy.First.Aspect said:
Good to have you confirm that you don't assess arguments on their merits, Coopster.coopster_the_1st said:
Shock, Horror! Heseltine comes out as being against Brexit. Who knew?rick_chasey said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/13/brexit-is-the-worst-decision-of-modern-times-why-are-its-critics-in-cabinet-so-silent
Normally wouldn't post an opinion article, but it's Heseltine, so.
Anyone who is willing to override democracy because it does not match up to their views should rightly, have their views ignored.0 -
or wait until the Express summarises the article for youcoopster_the_1st said:
Heseltine has shown himself to be an extremist on Brexit and is happy to push his extremist views to ignore democracy.First.Aspect said:
Good to have you confirm that you don't assess arguments on their merits, Coopster.coopster_the_1st said:
Shock, Horror! Heseltine comes out as being against Brexit. Who knew?rick_chasey said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/13/brexit-is-the-worst-decision-of-modern-times-why-are-its-critics-in-cabinet-so-silent
Normally wouldn't post an opinion article, but it's Heseltine, so.
Anyone who is willing to override democracy because it does not match up to their views should rightly, have their views ignored.1 -
It did occur to me that WTO are just trading rules that are ultimately decided by another organisation with a different acronym...0
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how angry do you think Brexiteers will get when they realise they have signed up to WTO and can not slap random punishment tariffs on French goodsrick_chasey said:It did occur to me that WTO are just trading rules that are ultimately decided by another organisation with a different acronym...
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Australian style.First.Aspect said:
What was that supposed to be?kingstongraham said:Why is nobody talking about a clean brexit any more?
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Patel's wave machine will move those British fish back behind UK territorial lines on 1st Jan“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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why do we think he does not call it USA style, they are only halfway around the world and he could use some enormous numbers to show how much trade they do with the EU?kingstongraham said:
Australian style.First.Aspect said:
What was that supposed to be?kingstongraham said:Why is nobody talking about a clean brexit any more?
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