BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

kingstongraham

You think pensioners are by definition dependent on the state?

john80

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

Insurance companies were always liable for repatriation costs and some treatment costs above immediate life saving in the EU. As always manage your health is your best way of reducing costs.

That doesn't solve the problem. I, like many others, never bought health insurance for EU trips... now we will have to. I'll have no problems to get cover and I am sure I can afford to, but remember half of the population is on some prescription... many of them will struggle to get affordable cover now... so they will be bound to remain in the UK for the rest of their life... it is likely the majority of them will be of advanced age and as a an average the majority will have voted FOR Brexit, so that is some consolation to me, not to the many who instead are in that position and voted to remain...

So you decided to historically take a slim chance of a significant bill in the event of a serious problem as this was not covered by the current arrangements. Given you were so relaxed about this risk why are you bothered about being uninsured for a minor problem such as a broken arm in 2021.

john80

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

john80 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

I guess if there is no deal, then we can say to Macron 'So long, and thanks for all the fish'

I look forward to Johnson performing some herring related photo-opp. I think Macron probably has same ability to control the French fishing fleet as we do of our football fans.

I'm sure the Royal Navy can control them

The irony in Brexiters suggesting the EU was not responsible for the longest peacetime era in Europe for god knows how long and literally the day after Britain leaves they’re threatening nato allies and EU members with the navy.

So pathetic the whole thing.

That shows a complete lack of awareness as to why developed nations neighbouring each other have stopped launching wars a couple of times a decade. I will give you a clue it is down to weapons systems. France and Germany don't need to go nuclear to completely destroy each other in a matter of days. We are no longer sending thousands of men to look at each other across a trench. This is the real reason Europe has been peaceful and it is routed in weapons technology and self interest. The naivety of your argument is staggering.

We are also in a military alliance called NATO, which could be relevant.

Are we going to war with France or not? 😂

The French do have a long track history of getting beaten at war. Maybe their fortunes are due a change.

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

I do find it amazing how many people have so much faith in the State to deal with any problems and ensure there are no losers.

It may seem harsh but I think it is important that fishermen and sheep farmers (as two examples) are left to fail. They will be a lesson to others for decades to come that actions have consequences. If they are all baled out then what incentive is there for anybody to moderate their own behaviour in the future?

Do we bail out banks the next time they fail to moderate their behaviour or are they still too big to allow them to fail?

Really not sure if you are serious or not.

Partly. If you're going to bail out one profession for self-inflicted problems why not others?

You, and some others on here, seem quite keen to write off the rural economy as insignificant whilst extolling the need to protect the financial sector (where you happen to be employed). I don't have a massive amount of sympathy for farmers and fishermen as many of them have constantly bemoaned the EU but whilst their overall contribution to the nation's GDP might be a fraction of that of the financial sector it is still hugely important to large parts of the country. No-one has been getting rich from sheep farming even with subsidies,

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

This is surprisingly amusing by the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047129/Ten-ways-help-make-No-Deal-Brexit-success-Britain.html

"Buy a second home"

🤣

skyblueamateur

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

This is surprisingly amusing by the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047129/Ten-ways-help-make-No-Deal-Brexit-success-Britain.html

"Buy a second home"

🤣

It was buy a 1600W hoover which tickled me. That'll show em.

rjsterry

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

I do find it amazing how many people have so much faith in the State to deal with any problems and ensure there are no losers.

It may seem harsh but I think it is important that fishermen and sheep farmers (as two examples) are left to fail. They will be a lesson to others for decades to come that actions have consequences. If they are all baled out then what incentive is there for anybody to moderate their own behaviour in the future?

Do we bail out banks the next time they fail to moderate their behaviour or are they still too big to allow them to fail?

Really not sure if you are serious or not.

Partly. If you're going to bail out one profession for self-inflicted problems why not others?

You, and some others on here, seem quite keen to write off the rural economy as insignificant whilst extolling the need to protect the financial sector (where you happen to be employed). I don't have a massive amount of sympathy for farmers and fishermen as many of them have constantly bemoaned the EU but whilst their overall contribution to the nation's GDP might be a fraction of that of the financial sector it is still hugely important to large parts of the country. No-one has been getting rich from sheep farming even with subsidies,

SC isn't in FS.

Pross

rjsterry said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

I do find it amazing how many people have so much faith in the State to deal with any problems and ensure there are no losers.

It may seem harsh but I think it is important that fishermen and sheep farmers (as two examples) are left to fail. They will be a lesson to others for decades to come that actions have consequences. If they are all baled out then what incentive is there for anybody to moderate their own behaviour in the future?

Do we bail out banks the next time they fail to moderate their behaviour or are they still too big to allow them to fail?

Really not sure if you are serious or not.

Partly. If you're going to bail out one profession for self-inflicted problems why not others?

You, and some others on here, seem quite keen to write off the rural economy as insignificant whilst extolling the need to protect the financial sector (where you happen to be employed). I don't have a massive amount of sympathy for farmers and fishermen as many of them have constantly bemoaned the EU but whilst their overall contribution to the nation's GDP might be a fraction of that of the financial sector it is still hugely important to large parts of the country. No-one has been getting rich from sheep farming even with subsidies,

SC isn't in FS.

Thought he was an actuary for some reason

verylonglegs

surrey_commuter said:

This is surprisingly amusing by the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047129/Ten-ways-help-make-No-Deal-Brexit-success-Britain.html

I thought that had to be satire, it wouldn't be out of place on the Daily Mash. I loved the fact it featured a £50k sports car as a way of supporting the economy.

kingstongraham

"You can do lots of things you could do before, but chose not to!"

And support British farmers! (Plus cheap lamb because reasons.)

verylonglegs

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

I tend to agree that tariffs make little difference to consumer choices, as currencies fluctuate anyway and people are not going to buy Jack Daniels instead of McCallan because the latter is 2 euro per bottle dearer...

Other things will be affected by the lack of a deal: if your holiday ends up costing 50% more because of health insurance and a weaker currency, many will simply not be able to afford it... jobs will go.

The total volume of trade will probably be reduced (good for the environment?), as people will delay buying a new car and jobs will go. Delays in the supply chain mean I won't be able to order a new pair of Vittoria tyres when I need them and will stick to the old tyres a little longer, jobs will go... uncertainty over the future will curb investment and more jobs will go... that's almost inevitable and made worse by the lack of some kind of arrangement

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100. Last time I checked my EU healthcare did not get me treatment in the USA. Holidays are not going to be 50% dearer as you logic is flawed.

What we will see is a shift of buying habits due to tariffs. That mass manufactured French brie will be closer in price to UK options. That German car will be dearer as there is a limit to how long VW can offer to pay consumer tariffs. The could not even get to 2021 without offering this deal.

Trade will be reduced due to covid more than Brexit in my view

Astounding ignorance.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

All those US, Japanese, Chinese etc tourists seem to manage it somehow.

Some of them will be coming over less because of the removal of the vat claim back scheme.

ugo.santalucia

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

Insurance companies were always liable for repatriation costs and some treatment costs above immediate life saving in the EU. As always manage your health is your best way of reducing costs.

That doesn't solve the problem. I, like many others, never bought health insurance for EU trips... now we will have to. I'll have no problems to get cover and I am sure I can afford to, but remember half of the population is on some prescription... many of them will struggle to get affordable cover now... so they will be bound to remain in the UK for the rest of their life... it is likely the majority of them will be of advanced age and as a an average the majority will have voted FOR Brexit, so that is some consolation to me, not to the many who instead are in that position and voted to remain...

So you decided to historically take a slim chance of a significant bill in the event of a serious problem as this was not covered by the current arrangements. Given you were so relaxed about this risk why are you bothered about being uninsured for a minor problem such as a broken arm in 2021.

As I said,

I have already factored in the need for health insurance in my future trips to the EU and I am not overly concerned... I am however sad for those that will now be locked on an island, unable to get out of it...
There will be people with serious medical conditions that will be denied any form of insurance and will just have to suck it up.
If you don't care, that is fine, but for some reason I do...

ddraver

It will surprise no one that talks will continue...

TheBigBean

ddraver said:

It will surprise no one that talks will continue...

I'm not surprised although how the EU plans to ratify it is still a bit of a mystery.

ugo.santalucia

TheBigBean said:

ddraver said:

It will surprise no one that talks will continue...

I'm not surprised although how the EU plans to ratify it is still a bit of a mystery.

An extension?

pblakeney

verylonglegs said:

surrey_commuter said:

This is surprisingly amusing by the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047129/Ten-ways-help-make-No-Deal-Brexit-success-Britain.html

I thought that had to be satire, it wouldn't be out of place on the Daily Mash. I loved the fact it featured a £50k sports car as a way of supporting the economy.

Said car starts at £75,500 before adding on any very expensive options.

Dorset_Boy

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

Insurance companies were always liable for repatriation costs and some treatment costs above immediate life saving in the EU. As always manage your health is your best way of reducing costs.

That doesn't solve the problem. I, like many others, never bought health insurance for EU trips... now we will have to. I'll have no problems to get cover and I am sure I can afford to, but remember half of the population is on some prescription... many of them will struggle to get affordable cover now... so they will be bound to remain in the UK for the rest of their life... it is likely the majority of them will be of advanced age and as a an average the majority will have voted FOR Brexit, so that is some consolation to me, not to the many who instead are in that position and voted to remain...

So you decided to historically take a slim chance of a significant bill in the event of a serious problem as this was not covered by the current arrangements. Given you were so relaxed about this risk why are you bothered about being uninsured for a minor problem such as a broken arm in 2021.

As I said,

I have already factored in the need for health insurance in my future trips to the EU and I am not overly concerned... I am however sad for those that will now be locked on an island, unable to get out of it...
There will be people with serious medical conditions that will be denied any form of insurance and will just have to suck it up.
If you don't care, that is fine, but for some reason I do...

Ugo, you've clearly been lucky not to have ever suffered an accident or illness in Europe that required repatriation. The EHIC provided cover for essential emergency treatment only. It was never a substitute for travel insurance.
You certainly wouldn't have wanted to end up being flown back to the UK by air ambulance if you were reliant on an EHIC.

pblakeney

Dorset_Boy said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

Insurance companies were always liable for repatriation costs and some treatment costs above immediate life saving in the EU. As always manage your health is your best way of reducing costs.

That doesn't solve the problem. I, like many others, never bought health insurance for EU trips... now we will have to. I'll have no problems to get cover and I am sure I can afford to, but remember half of the population is on some prescription... many of them will struggle to get affordable cover now... so they will be bound to remain in the UK for the rest of their life... it is likely the majority of them will be of advanced age and as a an average the majority will have voted FOR Brexit, so that is some consolation to me, not to the many who instead are in that position and voted to remain...

So you decided to historically take a slim chance of a significant bill in the event of a serious problem as this was not covered by the current arrangements. Given you were so relaxed about this risk why are you bothered about being uninsured for a minor problem such as a broken arm in 2021.

As I said,

I have already factored in the need for health insurance in my future trips to the EU and I am not overly concerned... I am however sad for those that will now be locked on an island, unable to get out of it...
There will be people with serious medical conditions that will be denied any form of insurance and will just have to suck it up.
If you don't care, that is fine, but for some reason I do...

Ugo, you've clearly been lucky not to have ever suffered an accident or illness in Europe that required repatriation. The EHIC provided cover for essential emergency treatment only. It was never a substitute for travel insurance.
You certainly wouldn't have wanted to end up being flown back to the UK by air ambulance if you were reliant on an EHIC.

Quite.
Every year I get funding requests on my FB page from people who know people that are stranded abroad on holiday. Muppets.

pblakeney

ugo.santalucia said:

TheBigBean said:

ddraver said:

It will surprise no one that talks will continue...

I'm not surprised although how the EU plans to ratify it is still a bit of a mystery.

An extension?

Extended.

surrey_commuter

S

kingstongraham said:

You think pensioners are by definition dependent on the state?

Before I answer that can we agree on what a generalisation is?

ugo.santalucia

Dorset_Boy said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

ugo.santalucia said:

john80 said:

Sterling is not going to fall much further as Brexit is already priced in. You can currently buy worldwide travel insurance annually for less than £100.

Does that include Covid cover?

That's more or less what I had in mind... now, for a family of 4 that might just be too much...
Plus, it's going to be £ 100 if you don't have pre-existing medical conditions... obviously all those 50+ that invade the Costa del Sol will have high blood pressure and will be on at least a couple of medications... that will price up health cover, provided you are able to get it at all.

IMO, the loss of medical cover across the EU is the single biggest Brexit regret... in practice, it means a lot of people will not be able to go abroad anymore, which is very sad...

Insurance companies were always liable for repatriation costs and some treatment costs above immediate life saving in the EU. As always manage your health is your best way of reducing costs.

That doesn't solve the problem. I, like many others, never bought health insurance for EU trips... now we will have to. I'll have no problems to get cover and I am sure I can afford to, but remember half of the population is on some prescription... many of them will struggle to get affordable cover now... so they will be bound to remain in the UK for the rest of their life... it is likely the majority of them will be of advanced age and as a an average the majority will have voted FOR Brexit, so that is some consolation to me, not to the many who instead are in that position and voted to remain...

So you decided to historically take a slim chance of a significant bill in the event of a serious problem as this was not covered by the current arrangements. Given you were so relaxed about this risk why are you bothered about being uninsured for a minor problem such as a broken arm in 2021.

As I said,

I have already factored in the need for health insurance in my future trips to the EU and I am not overly concerned... I am however sad for those that will now be locked on an island, unable to get out of it...
There will be people with serious medical conditions that will be denied any form of insurance and will just have to suck it up.
If you don't care, that is fine, but for some reason I do...

Ugo, you've clearly been lucky not to have ever suffered an accident or illness in Europe that required repatriation. The EHIC provided cover for essential emergency treatment only. It was never a substitute for travel insurance.
You certainly wouldn't have wanted to end up being flown back to the UK by air ambulance if you were reliant on an EHIC.

Vast majority of EU trips people do as holidays are not covered by health insurance. Package holidays are the exception.

Repatriation is a very rare occurrence, a risk one might even be willing to take... I have no stats at hand, but I would be surprised if we were talking more than 100 per year... it's the everyday accident which requires a visit to A&E which is not uncommon at all, or the sudden illness which requires expensive exams.

Anyway, when we were within the EU, travel insurance was a tenner or so, which did reflect the fact that people hardly ever needed it and it did cover for other issues too... now it will go up a lot and it will be unaffordable for people with serious medical conditions.

How much does it cost to have full health insurance for a trip to the US if you have diabetes, high blood pressure and maybe you have had a stroke or heart attack in the past and currently taking 6 pills a day?

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

This is surprisingly amusing by the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047129/Ten-ways-help-make-No-Deal-Brexit-success-Britain.html

"Buy a second home"

🤣

Which you can afford because Brexit has fvcked the economy so driving down prices and house prices.

Not sure whether the editor was asleep at the wheel or he is trolling his readers, either way somebody is having fun.

Cheap lamb anybody?

Dorset_Boy

Ugo: Vast majority of EU trips people do as holidays are not covered by health insurance. Package holidays are the exception.

Utter nonsense.

Likewise your guess of only 100 repatriations from Europe a year.

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

S

kingstongraham said:

You think pensioners are by definition dependent on the state?

Before I answer that can we agree on what a generalisation is?

Can I apologise - I actually did not realise that 40% of pensioners' income comes from state pension. 1 in 6 have no other income.

It's a fair generalisation, I'll allow it.

surrey_commuter

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

I do find it amazing how many people have so much faith in the State to deal with any problems and ensure there are no losers.

It may seem harsh but I think it is important that fishermen and sheep farmers (as two examples) are left to fail. They will be a lesson to others for decades to come that actions have consequences. If they are all baled out then what incentive is there for anybody to moderate their own behaviour in the future?

Do we bail out banks the next time they fail to moderate their behaviour or are they still too big to allow them to fail?

Really not sure if you are serious or not.

Partly. If you're going to bail out one profession for self-inflicted problems why not others?

You, and some others on here, seem quite keen to write off the rural economy as insignificant whilst extolling the need to protect the financial sector (where you happen to be employed). I don't have a massive amount of sympathy for farmers and fishermen as many of them have constantly bemoaned the EU but whilst their overall contribution to the nation's GDP might be a fraction of that of the financial sector it is still hugely important to large parts of the country. No-one has been getting rich from sheep farming even with subsidies,

I have never worked in FS and am not sure that many on here do. Things like FS are needed to pay the subsidies. If somebody votes to make themselves poorer why compensate them.

Govt has put lots of regulation in place so that the banks that are too important (not big) to fail are far less likely to and those who want to do the risky stuff can be allowed to fail.

If the collapse of sheep farming would potentially lead to the end of the world as we know it then I would support propping them up.

ugo.santalucia

Is it not a failure in itself to keep looking at Australia as a role model for everything, from immigration to trade?

surrey_commuter

ugo.santalucia said:

Is it not a failure in itself to keep looking at Australia as a role model for everything, from immigration to trade?

If your support base does not like foreigners then the whiter, Christianier and more English speakingier your points of reference are the better.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

S

kingstongraham said:

You think pensioners are by definition dependent on the state?

Before I answer that can we agree on what a generalisation is?

Can I apologise - I actually did not realise that 40% of pensioners' income comes from state pension. 1 in 6 have no other income.

It's a fair generalisation, I'll allow it.

It is a common error made on this site to group all pensioners into the same income group.

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

john80 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

I guess if there is no deal, then we can say to Macron 'So long, and thanks for all the fish'

I look forward to Johnson performing some herring related photo-opp. I think Macron probably has same ability to control the French fishing fleet as we do of our football fans.

I'm sure the Royal Navy can control them

The irony in Brexiters suggesting the EU was not responsible for the longest peacetime era in Europe for god knows how long and literally the day after Britain leaves they’re threatening nato allies and EU members with the navy.

So pathetic the whole thing.

That shows a complete lack of awareness as to why developed nations neighbouring each other have stopped launching wars a couple of times a decade. I will give you a clue it is down to weapons systems. France and Germany don't need to go nuclear to completely destroy each other in a matter of days. We are no longer sending thousands of men to look at each other across a trench. This is the real reason Europe has been peaceful and it is routed in weapons technology and self interest. The naivety of your argument is staggering.

We are also in a military alliance called NATO, which could be relevant.

Are we going to war with France or not? 😂

Nope, just stopping a few fish thieves - policing really