BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

surrey_commuter

bompington wrote:

morstar wrote:

This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

Perhaps, errrr.... it's because there isn't one?

Patrick Minford says that one benefit is that we drop all imports and other costs of importing. This will make more products/services more available more cheaply.

I believe he is the only economist who backs Brexit.

He believes this will wipe out UK manufacturing and many companies in other sectors but overall the benefits will be a plus.

I suspect our demographic is overwhelmingly Remain and most Leavers will stay clear. Bizarrely of course Steveo is a Remainer pretending to be a Leaver.

darkhairedlord

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bompington wrote:

morstar wrote:

This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

Perhaps, errrr.... it's because there isn't one?

Patrick Minford says that one benefit is that we drop all imports and other costs of importing. This will make more products/services more available more cheaply.

I believe he is the only economist who backs Brexit.

He believes this will wipe out UK manufacturing and many companies in other sectors but overall the benefits will be a plus.

I suspect our demographic is overwhelmingly Remain and most Leavers will stay clear. Bizarrely of course Steveo is a Remainer pretending to be a Leaver.

"Some" imports may be cheaper but the fall in the pound will outweigh any notional savings.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

I suspect our demographic is overwhelmingly Remain and most Leavers will stay clear. Bizarrely of course Steveo is a Remainer pretending to be a Leaver.

Not quite.

You know how I voted, but if we are going to leave then let's make the best of it rather than sitting around whingeing. I also feel the occasional need to add a bit of balance to some of the (IMO) unnecessarily apocalyptic predictions on here.

Pross

TailWindHome wrote:

Surprised Varadkars comments last night haven't fueled more discussion on here.

Connolly with a bit more on the Ire/EU approach to the border.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1074298/?__twitt ... ssion=true

We voted out so we wouldn't have to listen to what foreigners are saying

orraloon

Yebbut. Tim Martin, that total k-nob, is reducing the price of a pint in selected (guess where) Wetherspoons outlets to show effect of so-called Brussels tariffs, see if we are not in that nasty EU then your alcohol dependency would be even cheaper. Naff all to do with UK duty rates on beers, wines and spirits at all, obvs.

orraloon

From outside the asylum

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... the-words/

orraloon

How mature of the "prime minister" of the dUK. Girly swot. You wot?

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnso ... s-11803807

And he can't even get basic primary school level spelling correct. Wtf have we become?

surrey_commuter

darkhairedlord wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bompington wrote:

morstar wrote:

This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

Perhaps, errrr.... it's because there isn't one?

Patrick Minford says that one benefit is that we drop all imports and other costs of importing. This will make more products/services more available more cheaply.

I believe he is the only economist who backs Brexit.

He believes this will wipe out UK manufacturing and many companies in other sectors but overall the benefits will be a plus.

I suspect our demographic is overwhelmingly Remain and most Leavers will stay clear. Bizarrely of course Steveo is a Remainer pretending to be a Leaver.

"Some" imports may be cheaper but the fall in the pound will outweigh any notional savings.

I was more concerned with the lack of people with jobs to buy the cheap stuff.

surrey_commuter

orraloon wrote:

How mature of the "prime minister" of the dUK. Girly swot. You wot?

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnso ... s-11803807

And he can't even get basic primary school level spelling correct. Wtf have we become?

Damn my guess was “ by that cvnt Cameron”

bompington

TailWindHome wrote:

Surprised Varadkars comments last night haven't fueled more discussion on here.

Connolly with a bit more on the Ire/EU approach to the border.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1074298/?__twitt ... ssion=true

Johnson in Dublin on Monday? What could possibly go wrong?

mfin

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

coopster_the_1st

mfin wrote:

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

What is your answer to your own question as your side is supported by the SNP?

Or are you going to deny that the SNP doesn't have a racist element to it?

mfin

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

What is your answer to your own question as your side is supported by the SNP?

Or are you going to deny that the SNP doesn't have a racist element to it?

I don't consider myself to have a side. I'm far more interested in the psychology of it in this particular regard.

No, I won't deny anything about the SNP.

Did the SNP campaign to remain spending on anti-immigration based marketing to attract remain votes by the way?

I think you may be scratching for equivalence here.

coopster_the_1st

mfin wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

What is your answer to your own question as your side is supported by the SNP?

Or are you going to deny that the SNP doesn't have a racist element to it?

I don't consider myself to have a side. I'm far more interested in the psychology of it in this particular regard.

No, I won't deny anything about the SNP.

Did the SNP campaign to remain spending on anti-immigration based marketing to attract remain votes by the way?

I think you may be scratching for equivalence here.

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

Then you can answer how you feel about the remain side being supported by racists.

imposter2.0

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

You tell us - why do you think they are racists? Provide some evidence though..

cruff

'English' is not a 'race'. Neither, for that matter, is 'Scottish'

mr_goo

Imposter wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

You tell us - why do you think they are racists? Provide some evidence though..

Any political that has the words 'National' in their title should be regarded with the up most caution. The SNP are a 'national movement' and that should send a chill down the spine of anyone who remembers what those words have often meant in Europe.
The SNP have never had any interest in the practical consequences of independence.

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

What is your answer to your own question as your side is supported by the SNP?

Or are you going to deny that the SNP doesn't have a racist element to it?

I don't consider myself to have a side. I'm far more interested in the psychology of it in this particular regard.

No, I won't deny anything about the SNP.

Did the SNP campaign to remain spending on anti-immigration based marketing to attract remain votes by the way?

I think you may be scratching for equivalence here.

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

Then you can answer how you feel about the remain side being supported by racists.

Who knows? You can find examples of racism in most large organisations. I think most would consider nationality to be distinct from race if that's what you're driving at, but I then I have a pretty strong aversion to nationalism/patriotism as well in any case and consequently wouldn't support the SNP or Plaid regardless of their position on Brexit. That there are some people who support Remain, and whose other views I strongly disagree with is not a reason for me to change my view on Brexit. Similarly you have repeatedly stated your dislike of Farage despite you sharing some views on Brexit.

imposter2.0

Mr Goo wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

You tell us - why do you think they are racists? Provide some evidence though..

Any political that has the words 'National' in their title should be regarded with the up most caution. The SNP are a 'national movement' and that should send a chill down the spine of anyone who remembers what those words have often meant in Europe.
The SNP have never had any interest in the practical consequences of independence.

Casual observations about the use of the word 'national' while interesting, do not confirm or imply racism, necessarily. As I said, it requires actual evidence..

robert88

I see reports that the Prime Minister

has hinted he will refuse to enact the upcoming new law putting the UK at risk of an even greater constitutional crisis.

Tory grandee Iain Duncan Smith has told Mr Johnson to hold his nerve, saying he would be ‘martyred’ if he chose to break the law and risk a possible jail term for contempt of Parliament. He told the Daily Telegraph: ‘This is about Parliament versus the people. Boris Johnson is on the side of the people, who voted to leave the EU.’

'Grandee' is not exactly how I think of IDS


https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/ttps:/ ... to=cbshare

robert88

.. Anyway Johnson might welcome a spell in jail. Isn't that where Mein Kampf was written?

briantrumpet

Tory grandee Iain Duncan Smith has told Mr Johnson to hold his nerve, saying he would be ‘martyred’ if he chose to break the law and risk a possible jail term for contempt of Parliament. He told the Daily Telegraph: ‘This is about Parliament versus the people. Boris Johnson is on the side of the people, who voted to leave the EU.’

It might be slightly more accurate if the quote were "Boris Johnson is on the side of the people who voted to leave the EU".

tailwindhome

Proroguing parliament is starting to look like an unforced error if Johnson's objective was to get to a GE.

briantrumpet

TailWindHome wrote:

Proroguing parliament is starting to look like an unforced error if Johnson's objective was to get to a GE.

And there's something delicious in that too. Especially if it stops Johnson and his merry band of comedians from misusing parliamentary procedures to overturn the Will Of Parliament.

rick_chasey

I guess if you are open to the “grand plan” theory, you need to treat this all like an election campaign and the Tories are attempting to define the ground first.

People vs parliament.

“You want this over with, so do we but labour and Lib Dems keep stopping us”

I reckon that goes down well with a lot of people

robert88

It's reported that the EU would agree to a 3 month extension, obviously careless of condemning our PM to death in a ditch. A price worth paying? You might think so..

briantrumpet

The Telegraph is getting twitchy. Having gone from pragmatic Remain to rabid Leave, it's now not sure whether to report the news or stay as a mouthpiece for Johnson... it doesn't like backing a loser.

briantrumpet

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

briantrumpet

Blimey, if you can read this stuff, it's desperation tactics from Johnson and Cummings.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... rebel-mps/

Basically, they are threatening to go rogue in just about every direction. I think they know the jig's up.

secretsqirrel

Last honest thing he has left is a referendum. Unless of course he is a chicken..