BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... the internet.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?
    Fill your boots...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bri ... at_Britain
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    bompington wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?
    Fill your boots...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bri ... at_Britain
    wikipedia!
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?

    what's that got to do with it?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    I think you can probably finish this in private messages. Let us know what you decided.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Imposter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?

    what's that got to do with it?
    more than one island innit
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?

    what's that got to do with it?
    more than one island innit

    'Great Britain' is one island, ffs. The others are part of the British Isles..
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Imposter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?
    Canvey island?
    Brownsea island?

    what's that got to do with it?
    more than one island innit

    'Great Britain' is one island, ffs. The others are part of the British Isles..
    this from the ordnance survey, they should know!
    Poster-650.jpg
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Is the isle of wight not part of great britain?

    Don't be fooled by the name, it is not actually an island. The needles are part of it.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Don't forget the Isle of Dogs. Do forget the Isle of Man.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?

    Maybe he'll send someone on his behalf so he can then say he refused to go. Can Parliament send someone else if he refuses?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?

    When is he not lying? Does he even know himself?
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Interesting
    Huge surge in voter registration in NI skewed towards younger voters

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-495 ... toryNearly
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    rjsterry wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?

    When is he not lying? Does he even know himself?
    It's not lying these days... it's alternative truth :wink:
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

    You lot won't listen so I'm not going to waste my time educating you.

    As you can see by their refusal, remainers are scared of putting their approach of extending Brexit to the electorate. As with this forum, Parliament are also out of touch with the country.

    ps I've not voted, as I am sure is the case with many other leavers, as it's more fun for the silent majority to burst your bubble again and again.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

    You lot won't listen so I'm not going to waste my time educating you.

    As you can see by their refusal, remainers are scared of putting their approach of extending Brexit to the electorate. As with this forum, Parliament are also out of touch with the country.

    ps I've not voted, as I am sure is the case with many other leavers, as it's more fun for the silent majority to burst your bubble again and again.

    Struggling to see how any of that drivel answers the question I asked other than the PS which has nothing to really support it. By the way, it's worth a look at the IPSOS poll breaking down the vote by demographic if you haven't done so already especially the education, earnings and work sections. You seem to fit into it quite well.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    orraloon wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
    Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    morstar wrote:
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.
    Perhaps, errrr.... it's because there isn't one?
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    morstar wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
    Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

    That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    verylonglegs wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
    Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

    That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.
    Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    morstar wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
    Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

    That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.
    Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.

    As someone I know (used to be on this forum years ago) said even QT is getting hacked by Russian trolls now. That said, my cousin's Polish born wife is massively pro Brexit.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Pross wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.
    As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
    The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
    There may be an element of generalisation in there.
    The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.
    Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
    This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

    That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.
    Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.

    As someone I know (used to be on this forum years ago) said even QT is getting hacked by Russian trolls now. That said, my cousin's Polish born wife is massively pro Brexit.

    Bizarre to want to walk away from the mechanism that allowed you to settle here.

    We had some guy from Singapore here for a couple of weeks training a while back. Was chatting to him and he said the taxi driver from the airport didn't waste much time telling him this country had been ruined by immigrants, mainly from eastern Europe. Not an usual thing to hear you might think unfortunately but then the odd bit was the taxi driver then said he was from Turkey himself and moved here 20yrs ago.
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    But Turkey is more Western Asia than Eastern Europe (provided he wasn't from Istambul...)!
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

    Very broad strokes here, but I think that people who are more politically involved, i.e, are happy to spend thousands of pages on a forum chatting about it, tend to lean towards remain/reluctant remain.

    I think if you put a list of pros and cons together, you see there are some pretty significant cons to EU membership, but that the alternative doesn't necessarily come out any better.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    Jez mon wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

    Very broad strokes here, but I think that people who are more politically involved, i.e, are happy to spend thousands of pages on a forum chatting about it, tend to lean towards remain/reluctant remain.

    I think if you put a list of pros and cons together, you see there are some pretty significant cons to EU membership, but that the alternative doesn't necessarily come out any better.
    Very well put Jez.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Surprised Varadkars comments last night haven't fueled more discussion on here.

    Connolly with a bit more on the Ire/EU approach to the border.

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1074298/?__twitt ... ssion=true
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