BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

coopster_the_1st

kingrollo wrote:

Have we shifted into no deal being the desired outcome ? - previously it was the last resort !!!

Jesus now some people are aspiring to it !

I know this is what remain echo chambers are now spouting. It's no different to them saying there is a coup happening but it is remainers that don't want to face the electorate...

The desired outcome is a deal but it must be a good one.

No deal is what will happen if we don't get a good deal.

No deal is the antithesis of those extremists who want to ignore the democratic vote and remain and in the middle is a good deal.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

TBP specifically don't want to negotiate anything. It's in all their publicity. They also have zero interest in democracy as evidenced by their 'party' which has a membership of zero and no internal democratic structure.

Remoaners trying to imply TBP is not democractic when the remain side refuse to put their "take over of parliament and another EU extension" to the electorate as they know they will lose as their view is not supported by the majority.

It really is parliament verses the people and parliament are going to lose.

Pross

Robert88 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

Just a thought, but maybe the citizens of Hastings and Rye don't want a no deal MP.

A question: what is it you don't like about Farage/TBP? You've previously said you want to see the back of him, but I genuinely can't see where you differ on anything.

Is there anyone that Coopster does like apart from Coopster?

I suspect he likes Putin if he values his job and freedom.

mfin

Maybe the citizens of Hastings are made up of 1000s and 1000s of different people who would like to see things progressing in various differing ways and they don't actually all think the same at all.

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

TBP specifically don't want to negotiate anything. It's in all their publicity. They also have zero interest in democracy as evidenced by their 'party' which has a membership of zero and no internal democratic structure.

Remoaners trying to imply TBP is not democractic when the remain side refuse to put their "take over of parliament and another EU extension" to the electorate as they know they will lose as their view is not supported by the majority.

It really is parliament verses the people and parliament are going to lose.

I'm not implying anything. The structure of Farage's 'party' is well known. There are no members; only supporters, who have no say whatsoever in the way the party is run, it's candidates, or anything else.

tailwindhome

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

TBP specifically don't want to negotiate anything. It's in all their publicity. They also have zero interest in democracy as evidenced by their 'party' which has a membership of zero and no internal democratic structure.

Remoaners trying to imply TBP is not democractic when the remain side refuse to put their "take over of parliament and another EU extension" to the electorate as they know they will lose as their view is not supported by the majority.

It really is parliament verses the people and parliament are going to lose.

Support for the EU extension law is 41% v 42% oppose (16% DK)
Support for a GE now before Brexit is 35% v 46% oppose (20% DK)


Someone made a comment with regard to the word 'national' in the title of a political party.
The same caution needs applied to political groups who claim to speak with the voice of 'The People'

tailwindhome

I would love to see what the Number 10 'polling' is on the likelihood of the WA with the NI only backstop getting through parliament.

morstar

TailWindHome wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

TBP specifically don't want to negotiate anything. It's in all their publicity. They also have zero interest in democracy as evidenced by their 'party' which has a membership of zero and no internal democratic structure.

Remoaners trying to imply TBP is not democractic when the remain side refuse to put their "take over of parliament and another EU extension" to the electorate as they know they will lose as their view is not supported by the majority.

It really is parliament verses the people and parliament are going to lose.

Support for the EU extension law is 41% v 42% oppose (16% DK)
Support for a GE now before Brexit is 35% v 46% oppose (20% DK)


Someone made a comment with regard to the word 'national' in the title of a political party.
The same caution needs applied to political groups who claim to speak with the voice of 'The People'

Does this apply to the people's front of Judea?

Stevo_666

morstar wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Someone made a comment with regard to the word 'national' in the title of a political party.
The same caution needs applied to political groups who claim to speak with the voice of 'The People'

Does this apply to the people's front of Judea?

Splitters!

rjsterry

From Jon Worth on Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonworth/sta ... 6243244032

orraloon

^ if only that would fit on the side of a big red bus in a big font.

cycleclinic

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

surrey_commuter

Anybody else think Coopster has been upgraded? The new one is more coherent but does struggle to keep using childlike insults.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

From Jon Worth on Twitter

Thanks RJS - very useful

tailwindhome

For the main opposition Labour party, the right time might just be after October 31.

A ComRes survey commissioned by poll aggregator Britain Elects released on Saturday found that the ruling Conservative party would gather 30% of the vote if the snap election was held before October 31 and Brexit had not been delivered — a three percentage point lead over its nearest rival Labour.

But when asked about who they'd vote for if the general election takes place after October 31 and after a third extension to Brexit has been secured, the 2,000 respondents gave the edge to Labour who would take 28%, ahead of the Conservatives' 26%.

In both cases, the Liberal Democrats were expected to gather about a fifth of the vote, while the Brexit Party, headed by Brexiteer-in-chief Nigel Farage, would get a slightly better result after October 31 (17% compared to 14% before the Brexit deadline).

https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/08/lab ... poll-finds

coopster_the_1st

thecycleclinic wrote:

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

The opposition parties and their MP's do not want a GE because the answer from the people to them will be that we don't like what they are doing and what they are currently doing is wrong. The MP's know this

That makes it People vs Parliament.

surrey_commuter

Coopster the 1st wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

The opposition parties and their MP's do not want a GE because the answer from the people to them will be that we don't like what they are doing and what they are currently doing is wrong. The MP's know this

That makes it People vs Parliament.

No because 85% of the population aren’t so dumb as to view a GE as a single issue poll.

imposter2.0

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

The opposition parties and their MP's do not want a GE because the answer from the people to them will be that we don't like what they are doing and what they are currently doing is wrong. The MP's know this

That makes it People vs Parliament.

No because 85% of the population aren’t so dumb as to view a GE as a single issue poll.

Coopster is, sadly...

tailwindhome

Daily Telegraph with details of the Cummings strategy to confund the Extension law.

Send the letter asking for an extension.

But, send a second letter to say the UK doesn't want an extension.

They've lost the plot.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

The opposition parties and their MP's do not want a GE because the answer from the people to them will be that we don't like what they are doing and what they are currently doing is wrong. The MP's know this

That makes it People vs Parliament.

No because 85% of the population aren’t so dumb as to view a GE as a single issue poll.

It seems to be what the politicians of all sides are making it into.

Stevo_666

TailWindHome wrote:

Daily Telegraph with details of the Cummings strategy to confund the Extension law.

Send the letter asking for an extension.

But, send a second letter to say the UK doesn't want an extension.

They've lost the plot.

May not be necessary, thanks to our French friends...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-article-50-delay-france-boris-johnson-extension-a9096361.html

tailwindhome

Stevo 666 wrote:

May not be necessary, thanks to our French friends...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-article-50-delay-france-boris-johnson-extension-a9096361.html

It's not even a week since the Telegraph were claiming the EU were offering to extend the deadline and this was a sure sign the EU were cracking.

cycleclinic

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

In people vs parliament we all loose cooper the 1st.

Cooper the first and all those like you, wake up to what your saying. I'm o.k with leaving the eu. I am not o.k with what your posts imply with people vs parliament. That's utterly dangerous. That's about your way and sod everyone else.

The opposition parties and their MP's do not want a GE because the answer from the people to them will be that we don't like what they are doing and what they are currently doing is wrong. The MP's know this

That makes it People vs Parliament.

No because 85% of the population aren’t so dumb as to view a GE as a single issue poll.

A GE is coming. Its matter of getting the date. The opposition does not want the government to set the date to there advantage. As the opposition are need to call a GE early then they want a date that suits them. Not people vs parliament at all. You need to read the ruins cooper.

Also dont expect the tories to maintain there poll lead. The more johnson look impotent the harder the tories will find it maintain there lead.

This is the issue when the attempt to implement a big changes is rammed down people's throats. If a company tried doing that without having the board and workforce on board it would be called bad management. The same applies in poltics. Brexit has not been implemented because of the cack handed way it's been managed by the government due to the influence of the ultras in the tory party.

cycleclinic

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

May not be necessary, thanks to our French friends...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-article-50-delay-france-boris-johnson-extension-a9096361.html

It's not even a week since the Telegraph were claiming the EU were offering to extend the deadline and this was a sure sign the EU were cracking.

Those pesky veto. According the leave.eu crowd the eu beaurcrats dictate to the member states what the score is and there is no veto as the commission can override it.

If you want to find people who make cooper the first sound centrist go there. I visit just to find out out what deranged people think. I am usually more polite than that but anyone group that thinks the eu army is an imminent reality has either been taking drugs or is deranged.

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Daily Telegraph with details of the Cummings strategy to confund the Extension law.

Send the letter asking for an extension.

But, send a second letter to say the UK doesn't want an extension.

They've lost the plot.

May not be necessary, thanks to our French friends...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-article-50-delay-france-boris-johnson-extension-a9096361.html

It seems the French can recognise a regime that has gone batshit crazy and the impossibility of any deal.

Imagine the situation if by some miracle a deal was struck. The regime led by Johnson would constantly endeavour to use it as a political device to strengthen their grip on power. They would seek to destroy the EU by obstruction, propaganda and creating division amongst its members.

France would be absolutely justified in refusing to negotiate further with the UK regime at this stage; you can't do deals with people like Johnson and Cummings and conceivably Farage and expect not to be shafted.

The rhetoric, lies and obstruction emanating from the Leave government and press demonstrates that, all day and every day. They have made an enemy out of the EU, a peaceful union whom they simply wish to destroy.

As long as the charade continues it allows the Leave destroyers to ramp up the chorus of hate. The EU should cut its losses and say 'enough is enough, there can be no deal' with current UK 'government'.

When you encounter a mad dog you can't try to befriend it.

Pross

TailWindHome wrote:

Daily Telegraph with details of the Cummings strategy to confund the Extension law.

Send the letter asking for an extension.

But, send a second letter to say the UK doesn't want an extension.

They've lost the plot.

The other suggestion I heard was he could simply call a friendly EU leader (such as the Hungarian PM) and ask them to refuse to accept it as all members need to agree

rick_chasey

Cummings is an election guy isn’t he?

I think it’s best viewing everything they say and highlight through an election campaign lens.

All that front page on the telegraph, which the Indy is second hand reporting on does is reinforce “we really really want this over with” which is the message the Tories are going to campaign on.

tailwindhome

Guy Verhofstadt
@guyverhofstadt
Foreign Minister Le Drian is right: yet another extension for Brexit is unacceptable, unless the deadlock in London is broken. Let it be a 2nd ref., new elections, a revocation of art. 50 or the approval of the deal, but not today’s helpless status quo

Guy leaves no deal on the table.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cummings is an election guy isn’t he?

I think it’s best viewing everything they say and highlight through an election campaign lens.

All that front page on the telegraph, which the Indy is second hand reporting on does is reinforce “we really really want this over with” which is the message the Tories are going to campaign on.

Someone was suggesting the rambling Police academy speech and JRM slouching were efforts to distract from the problems the Johnson government is having in achieving anything.

rjsterry

TailWindHome wrote:

Guy Verhofstadt
@guyverhofstadt
Foreign Minister Le Drian is right: yet another extension for Brexit is unacceptable, unless the deadlock in London is broken. Let it be a 2nd ref., new elections, a revocation of art. 50 or the approval of the deal, but not today’s helpless status quo

Guy leaves no deal on the table.

Easy to forget that the deadline is as much for the EU's benefit as ours.