BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

cruff

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

imposter2.0

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

Not sure it will get that far. To make a pact, he needs to be still in the job..

rick_chasey

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Pross

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Would that need the party to agree?

tailwindhome

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Where?

Jez mon

Rick Chasey wrote:

I guess if you are open to the “grand plan” theory, you need to treat this all like an election campaign and the Tories are attempting to define the ground first.

People vs parliament.

“You want this over with, so do we but labour and Lib Dems keep stopping us”

I reckon that goes down well with a lot of people

So the one course of action that guarantees brexit stays in the news is a no deal brexit.

No brexit - few weeks of whining gammons

Brexit deal - things proceed in a legal boring way. We probably don't get a great trade deal, and have to enact the backstop, but basically, I don't think it'll be interesting news.

No deal Brexit - months of reporting of either a disastrous outcome, or a non disastrous outcome, followed by probable years of negotiations with the EU.

imposter2.0

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Unless I've missed something, the only thing that's been covered is Farage's vague offer..

robert88

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Where?

This is the offer:

The Brexit party should be given a free run at targeting traditional Labour heartlands in the North, Midlands and Wales by the Conservatives as part of an electoral pact, its leader, Nigel Farage said.

Made via Sunday Telegraph.

Elsewhere

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place

Well, call me Dave! Who'd a thought a simple referendum..

slowmart

If that pact is taken up it will show how far to the right the party has moved.

For me it’s electoral suicide, they may win a majority but also unelectable for a generation.

Stevo_666

Imposter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Unless I've missed something, the only thing that's been covered is Farage's vague offer..

Well yes, there's a subtle difference between an offer and a pact.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

If that pact is taken up it will show how far to the right the party has moved.

For me it’s electoral suicide, they may win a majority but also unelectable for a generation.

So a bit like Labour, except for the 'winning a majority' part?

Stevo_666

Robert88 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Where?

This is the offer:

The Brexit party should be given a free run at targeting traditional Labour heartlands in the North, Midlands and Wales by the Conservatives as part of an electoral pact, its leader, Nigel Farage said.

Made via Sunday Telegraph.

Elsewhere

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place

Well, call me Dave! Who'd a thought a simple referendum..

I see the offer, where is the pact?

coopster_the_1st

How convenient of Rudd to resign just as there is about to be a GE!

She had a tiny majority and would have been kicked out as the sitting MP because of the poor way she has represented those who voted for her. She would have also been great scalp for the Brexit Party to remove her from Parliament.

She has jumped before she was kicked out.

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

How convenient of Rudd to resign just as there is about to be a GE!

She had a tiny majority and would have been kicked out as the sitting MP because of the poor way she has represented those who voted for her. She would have also been great scalp for the Brexit Party to remove her from Parliament.

She has jumped before she was kicked out.

She does have a famously small majority but still won that despite all her constituents knowing her views on Brexit. And she voted for the WA each time it was put before parliament unlike the PM. Conversely the voters of St Albans, a remain constituency, are stuck with a hardline ERG member. Vauxhall is stuck with Kate Hoey. That's just the way our system works; feel free to keep moaning about how undemocratic it is, though.

tailwindhome

Coopster the 1st wrote:

How convenient of Rudd to resign just as there is about to be a GE!

She had a tiny majority and would have been kicked out as the sitting MP because of the poor way she has represented those who voted for her. She would have also been great scalp for the Brexit Party to remove her from Parliament.

She has jumped before she was kicked out.

Cabinet ministers unable to hold marginal seats doesn't bode well for a Conservative majority

tailwindhome

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

coopster_the_1st

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

tailwindhome

Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound
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BREAKING: Nigel Farage tells the Sunday Times the Brexit party will not stand candidates against the 28 Tory Brexiteers who opposed May’s deal - and anyone else who vows not to back any deal

'any deal'

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

Just a thought, but maybe the citizens of Hastings and Rye don't want a no deal MP.

A question: what is it you don't like about Farage/TBP? You've previously said you want to see the back of him, but I genuinely can't see where you differ on anything.

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Where?

This is the offer:

The Brexit party should be given a free run at targeting traditional Labour heartlands in the North, Midlands and Wales by the Conservatives as part of an electoral pact, its leader, Nigel Farage said.

Made via Sunday Telegraph.

Elsewhere

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place

Well, call me Dave! Who'd a thought a simple referendum..

I see the offer, where is the pact?

You are not ruling it out? Very astute in the circumstances.

tailwindhome

The Conservative Party won't have a pact with The Brexit Party.


Edit--and The Brexit Party know this.

robert88

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

Just a thought, but maybe the citizens of Hastings and Rye don't want a no deal MP.

A question: what is it you don't like about Farage/TBP? You've previously said you want to see the back of him, but I genuinely can't see where you differ on anything.

Is there anyone that Coopster does like apart from Coopster?

robert88

TailWindHome wrote:

The Conservative Party won't have a pact with The Brexit Party.


Edit--and The Brexit Party know this.

"If the Conservative Party can become more like the Brexit Party, then they hope to be able to get his votes without a pact."

rjsterry

TailWindHome wrote:

The Conservative Party won't have a pact with The Brexit Party.


Edit--and The Brexit Party know this.

If they are going for leaving without a deal (and they at least claim that) then that is incompatible with TBP. Also if their strategy is to replace lost constituencies in the South with Labour leave constituencies in the Midlands and North, then there won't be any that they can afford to let TBP have.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

Just a thought, but maybe the citizens of Hastings and Rye don't want a no deal MP.

A question: what is it you don't like about Farage/TBP? You've previously said you want to see the back of him, but I genuinely can't see where you differ on anything.

The Citizens of Hastings are not even getting a MP that respects their view to leave the EU. It is about getting a deal MP who actually wants to leave.


What I don't like about TBP is that they split the Conservative vote, which risks Labour getting in.

However they are currently needed to lead the clean out of Parliament and also keep MP's and Conservatives aligned to properly negotiating an exit, rather than selling out the UK. They are also likely to cause problems for Labour in the Midlands and North

coopster_the_1st

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

mfin wrote:

My question, that I've put to a number of pro-brexit people, and I mean people who are considered in their opinions and have based their votes certainly not out of any form of ignorance is this:

Are you comfortable with the fact that the referendum vote going the way that you voted happened by being propped up by the votes of racists?

It's not a loaded question, or an attack, it's true in it's statement though. I've asked this of a few people close to me who will calmly discuss any aspect of brexit and voted for it. None were offended (as it says nothing about them, and I have utter faith that I know them well enough to know they aren't racist). They all accepted it as true. It is an interesting moral dilemma to discuss.

What is your answer to your own question as your side is supported by the SNP?

Or are you going to deny that the SNP doesn't have a racist element to it?

I don't consider myself to have a side. I'm far more interested in the psychology of it in this particular regard.

No, I won't deny anything about the SNP.

Did the SNP campaign to remain spending on anti-immigration based marketing to attract remain votes by the way?

I think you may be scratching for equivalence here.

Are the SNP racists or do they contain a racist element? It really is a simple question.

Then you can answer how you feel about the remain side being supported by racists.

Hey mfin,

Why don't you want to answer the question of racists being on the remain side of the referendum? Does it make you uncomfortable to admit that you voted on the same side as racists?

Once you stop avoiding the question I will give you my view on the question you ask.

Stevo_666

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Cruff wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rudd's resigned. I think that's Boris done.

Pact with Farage. Mark my words.

It’s already been announced.

Where?

This is the offer:

The Brexit party should be given a free run at targeting traditional Labour heartlands in the North, Midlands and Wales by the Conservatives as part of an electoral pact, its leader, Nigel Farage said.

Made via Sunday Telegraph.

Elsewhere

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place

Well, call me Dave! Who'd a thought a simple referendum..

I see the offer, where is the pact?

You are not ruling it out? Very astute in the circumstances.

Where do I mention that and how would I know anyway?

Just pointing out the obvious distinction for the over eager amongst us.

tailwindhome

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The Citizens of Hastings are not even getting a MP that respects their view to leave the EU. It is about getting a deal MP who actually wants to leave.

Amber Rudd voted for the referendum, voted to send the Art 50 notification and voted to leave the EU 3 times.

kingrollo

Have we shifted into no deal being the desired outcome ? - previously it was the last resort !!!

Jesus now some people are aspiring to it !

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Conservative Amber Rudd 25,668
Labour Peter Chowney 25,322
Liberal Democrat Nick Perry 1,885
UKIP Michael Phillips 1,479
Independent Nicholas Wilson 412


Labour will take that seat if both Brexit Party and Tories stand

Chowney is a remoaner. It shows how poor the candidates are for that constituency.

LibDums will eat into Labour vote but I agree the seat is going to Labour. I suspect this is a seat the Tories will now sacrifice in their pack with Farage.

It's a pity, I would love to have seen Rudd's whinging face when she had been kicked out by her constituents. I wonder if she would have respected that bit of democracy

Just a thought, but maybe the citizens of Hastings and Rye don't want a no deal MP.

A question: what is it you don't like about Farage/TBP? You've previously said you want to see the back of him, but I genuinely can't see where you differ on anything.

The Citizens of Hastings are not even getting a MP that respects their view to leave the EU. It is about getting a deal MP who actually wants to leave.


What I don't like about TBP is that they split the Conservative vote, which risks Labour getting in.

However they are currently needed to lead the clean out of Parliament and also keep MP's and Conservatives aligned to properly negotiating an exit, rather than selling out the UK. They are also likely to cause problems for Labour in the Midlands and North

TBP specifically don't want to negotiate anything. It's in all their publicity. They also have zero interest in democracy as evidenced by their 'party' which has a membership of zero and no internal democratic structure.

TWH has answered the point about Rudd representing the views of her constituents. Johnson on the other hand has stopped us leaving twice.