BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    It should give Conservative supporters pause that Ken Clarke is no longer a Conservative MP


    ( I would guess that he was the last member of a Thatcher cabinet)
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    Johnson's 'full statement' on his defeat is decidedly pathetic. It's crying out to be translated into Trump-speak.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
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    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingrollo
    kingrollo Posts: 3,198
    Hmmm - so he has not only lost the vote but has caused a civil war in the Tory party.

    I thought that would happen - but just not this quickly.

    A whole of miscalculation s by Johnson - is the GE another ? .....but now even that looks like it will get blocked

    Looks like we've been sold another dud.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    "Oh you demand an election, do you? Now, let's see..."

    I suspect that had Johnson been this impotent previously, there would have been fewer children involved in his life.
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  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    There used to be a time when I wouldn't skype w/ my parents to discuss BBC Parliament's session live.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    The govt have a working majority of -43
    The opposition are 10pts behind in the polls
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    DrHaggis wrote:
    There used to be a time when I wouldn't skype w/ my parents to discuss BBC Parliament's session live.


    There was a time no one knew there were channels between 501 and 901 on the Sky box
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    edited September 2019
    Farage: "We're heading for a very dark place".

    For you mate, you odious khunt. Go and seek comfort with JRM, hold hands and jump together.

    Bwahahahahaha...
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • bikes_and_dogs
    bikes_and_dogs Posts: 130
    edited September 2019
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots. (Oh sorry - should I have used your sound-bite "CRASHING OUT"?)
    There are no constituencies in a referendum. You were on the wrong side of the biggest democratic vote in British history.
    Pipe down.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    bompington wrote:
    john80 wrote:
    Having watched a person being taken into custody on a train from chicago to new york i woukd certainly want to get my paperwork in order and not live that. That intervention was no where near a border but i am sure some remainers will be along to claim it was a figment of my imagination.
    If you seriously think this sort of thing is going to happen anywhere within 50 miles of the Irish border then
    a) you don't know very much about the Irish border and
    b) your great - indeed certified - intelligence is letting you down

    Maybe you can explain how this 50 mile corridor will become a haven for undocumented migrants and why the local populations would welcome this scenario. The gfa allows those with an irish or british passport to live on either side and more importantly identify as their preference. Post brexit it would be logical to conclude that if you are not holding either of these nationality status then you would have to comply with the relevant nations imigration policy. I have often found those that cast aspersions on others intelligence are not that comfortable in their arguments.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots.

    62% of Scots voted remain.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,417
    Pinno wrote:
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots.

    62% of Scots voted remain.
    It's part of the UK not a separate country, so where we go, they have to go too. Unless we let them have an independence referendum, but that sort of thing is far too complicated for ordinary people to vote on - as many people have stated on this thread.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    john80 wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    john80 wrote:
    Having watched a person being taken into custody on a train from chicago to new york i woukd certainly want to get my paperwork in order and not live that. That intervention was no where near a border but i am sure some remainers will be along to claim it was a figment of my imagination.
    If you seriously think this sort of thing is going to happen anywhere within 50 miles of the Irish border then
    a) you don't know very much about the Irish border and
    b) your great - indeed certified - intelligence is letting you down

    Maybe you can explain how this 50 mile corridor will become a haven for undocumented migrants and why the local populations would welcome this scenario. The gfa allows those with an irish or british passport to live on either side and more importantly identify as their preference. Post brexit it would be logical to conclude that if you are not holding either of these nationality status then you would have to comply with the relevant nations imigration policy. I have often found those that cast aspersions on others intelligence are not that comfortable in their arguments.

    Do you remember 'the troubles'?

    Are you keen to have them start up again ?

    Remind me what advantage there is to leaving the EU ?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    We leaving the eu, why, because we voted for it, why because that's democracy, but why, because we voted for it. The reasons are lost in time.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bikes_and_dogs
    bikes_and_dogs Posts: 130
    Pinno wrote:
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots.

    62% of Scots voted remain.

    I refer the respondent to my previous point -

    There are no constituencies in a referendum.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    We leaving the eu, why, because we voted for it, why because that's democracy, but why, because we voted for it. The reasons are lost in time.

    People were lied to. It's a bloody stupid idea that'll cripple our industry and kill people who rely on medicine from abroad.

    Anyone with any sense of loyalty to the country can see that we can't go ahead with this act of self harm.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots.

    62% of Scots voted remain.

    I refer the respondent to my previous point -

    There are no constituencies in a referendum.

    Yes, I understand that. In the context of the majority of Scotland voters wanting to remain in the EU as opposed to the majority of voters wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales.
    That means that the majority of voters in Scotland would be forced, against their will, to leave the EU in the event of Brexit.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    And if Scotland leave the EU how long before they leave the Union ?
  • bikes_and_dogs
    bikes_and_dogs Posts: 130
    Pinno wrote:
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots.

    62% of Scots voted remain.

    I refer the respondent to my previous point -

    There are no constituencies in a referendum.

    Yes, I understand that. In the context of the majority of Scotland voters wanting to remain in the EU as opposed to the majority of voters wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales.
    That means that the majority of voters in Scotland would be forced, against their will, to leave the EU in the event of Brexit.

    So where do we draw the line? Birmingham voted to leave but London didn't, the folk on my street voted leave but the next street along didn't.
    I stand by my original point.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    cougie wrote:
    loyalty to the country

    Let's not start invoking nationalism as a good reason for anything. That's a large part of what got us into this mess.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • bikes_and_dogs
    bikes_and_dogs Posts: 130
    rjsterry wrote:
    cougie wrote:
    loyalty to the country

    Let's not start invoking nationalism as a good reason for anything. That's a large part of what got us into this mess.

    Let's not start confusing nationalism with patriotism. That's a large part of what got us into this mess.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots. (Oh sorry - should I have used your sound-bite "CRASHING OUT"?)
    There are no constituencies in a referendum. You were on the wrong side of the biggest democratic vote in British history.
    Pipe down.

    The biggest confidence trick in British history is what you really mean.

    Anyway, we are not destined to get out of this mess. It's the end game all right: in the decline and fall of the British Empire. The break up of the UK is inevitable. Stop moaning and accept the inevitable, pal. You will be sent back Glasgow in due course.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    F@ck Mogg is just thick as sh!t isn’t he?

    Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

    I think it was Matthew Parris who said he is a caricature of what a working class person thinks is posh.

    Exactly, well spoken does not equal clever.

    Or well mannered
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    F@ck Mogg is just thick as sh!t isn’t he?

    Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

    I think it was Matthew Parris who said he is a caricature of what a working class person thinks is posh.

    Exactly, well spoken does not equal clever.

    Or well mannered

    It's just attention-seeking. The sort of thing children do.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Bikes and dogs wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    cougie wrote:
    loyalty to the country

    Let's not start invoking nationalism as a good reason for anything. That's a large part of what got us into this mess.

    Let's not start confusing nationalism with patriotism. That's a large part of what got us into this mess.

    Patriotism is just nationalism with a nice hat on.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    cougie wrote:
    And if Scotland leave the EU how long before they leave the Union ?

    Quite soon I hope. Very much looking forward to seeing their kids paying for university education and running up huge debts like mine had to do. And don't get me started on free scripts and eyesight tests.
    Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    On a purely practical basis, where next for the Tories. The party is splitting as it has moved to the right to compete with BP. This leaves nowhere for moderate Tories to hang their hats whilst the leave Tory has a choice of two parties to represent them.
    I genuinely have no idea what an election will deliver. If we had a strong and credible opposition, I don't think it would ever have got quite so messy.
    Presumably EU will make an election a prerequisite to an extension but BJ won't request one.
    One thing BJ has succeeded in is the blame game which was always the primary strategy. He could never deliver his lies but has successfully manufactured the corner he is backed into. These are the foundations for his election strategy. Empower me to deliver will be his campaign.
    He's playing the long game. Not without risk but phase 1 is complete.
    I'm genuinely surprised he is prepared to trash both his party and the economy in the process but just goes to show how the allure of power knows no bounds.
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    morstar wrote:
    On a purely practical basis, where next for the Tories. The party is splitting as it has moved to the right to compete with BP. This leaves nowhere for moderate Tories to hang their hats whilst the leave Tory has a choice of two parties to represent them.
    I genuinely have no idea what an election will deliver. If we had a strong and credible opposition, I don't think it would ever have got quite so messy.
    Presumably EU will make an election a prerequisite to an extension but BJ won't request one.
    One thing BJ has succeeded in is the blame game which was always the primary strategy. He could never deliver his lies but has successfully manufactured the corner he is backed into. These are the foundations for his election strategy. Empower me to deliver will be his campaign.
    He's playing the long game. Not without risk but phase 1 is complete.
    I'm genuinely surprised he is prepared to trash both his party and the economy in the process but just goes to show how the allure of power knows no bounds.

    The Lib Dems have already put forward a 23 year old to stand for the New Forest West. Just graduated and just got his first job washing dishes and waiting tables in a hotel. Bless him.
    Can't wait to give him a grilling at the hustings. Assuming his boss will let him have time off.
    Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Mr Goo wrote:
    cougie wrote:
    And if Scotland leave the EU how long before they leave the Union ?

    Quite soon I hope. Very much looking forward to seeing their kids paying for university education and running up huge debts like mine had to do. And don't get me started on free scripts and eyesight tests.

    A remarkably vindictive attitude.

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