BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

darkhairedlord

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F@ck Mogg is just thick as sh!t isn’t he?

Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

I think it was Matthew Parris who said he is a caricature of what a working class person thinks is posh.

Exactly, well spoken does not equal clever.

robert88

darkhairedlord wrote:

So what ever happened to Nigel Lawson.
Did he get kicked out of France?

No. As only the French can, they lost his application for citizenship and kept on losing it until he gave up trying to apply. So no, not kicked out, why would you think such a thing?

robert88

darkhairedlord wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F@ck Mogg is just thick as sh!t isn’t he?

Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

I think it was Matthew Parris who said he is a caricature of what a working class person thinks is posh.

Exactly, well spoken does not equal clever.

Well-spoken? He sounds like he was meant to be a foghorn. Jacob Rees-Fogg.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

rick_chasey

Ken Clarke, finally an MP who gets it.

"The obvious compromise is a soft Brexit where you keep the present economic ties."

No sh!t, Sherlock.

rick_chasey

Rick Chasey wrote:

Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

Spot the moment when BoJo lost his majority

rick_chasey

https://www.ft.com/content/c95b92ea-cd9 ... ded7a7fe3f

Michael Gove has pulled plans to publish a “watered down” version of the government’s Operation Yellowhammer no-deal Brexit contingency plans, after ministers decreed that the findings would still alarm the public.

TheBigBean

Lengthy argument on whether the proposed bill requires queens consent. Tl;dr - it probably does which means the government could block it.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/ ... s-consent/

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

Yeah blame the other parties for not having a majority. Boo hoo.

tailwindhome

Boom

darkhairedlord

TailWindHome wrote:

Boom

dragged kicking and screaming.

rick_chasey

TailWindHome wrote:

Boom

Isn’t this really stupid?

ballysmate

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

Yeah blame the other parties for not having a majority. Boo hoo.

Not at all.
Was not Jezza outraged at BJ's actions. People on here were equally outraged and the word coup was used quite freely.
I would have thought such people would demand BJ be dragged to the ballot box to face his comeuppance?
Evidently not. Faux outrage perhaps.

darkhairedlord

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Boom

Isn’t this really stupid?

not really, if it passes we'll get Mays Brexit and the Tory party will implode.
Who ever is left standing gets to negotiate the future agreement. The backstop prevents Johnson from being a tit.

rick_chasey

darkhairedlord wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Boom

Isn’t this really stupid?

not really, if it passes we'll get Mays Brexit and the Tory party will implode.
Who ever is left standing gets to negotiate the future agreement. The backstop prevents Johnson from being a tit.

No one will vote for it given they already have already binned it three times.

ballysmate

darkhairedlord wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Boom

Isn’t this really stupid?

not really, if it passes we'll get Mays Brexit and the Tory party will implode.
Who ever is left standing gets to negotiate the future agreement. The backstop prevents Johnson from being a tit.

The people wanting hard Brexit will again vote against it.
If the Remainers pass it they will be saying in effect that they have been a bunch of kunts and have wasted all this year by not passing it in the first place.

rjsterry

Some thoughtful comments from Sir Bernard Jenkin, which makes a nice change from all the cheerleading.

He says this situation partly reflects various constitutional changes.

One is the Fixed-term Parliaments Act. This has strengthened the position of the PM, as was intended when it was passed by the coalition. But this means the Commons can now wound a PM, without bringing them down.

And the other factor is the increased use of referendums. That has created a problem of competing legitimacies, he says. It is not clear what is most legimate, he says - the representative or the direct mandate?

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Is rather depressing the pound has an inverse relationship with how successful BoJo is.

Spot the moment when BoJo lost his majority

That's a small movement.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

Yeah blame the other parties for not having a majority. Boo hoo.

Nope. But it's time for some politicians to grow a pair and agree to a GE if they want a majority, which they don't have either.

rjsterry

JRM's antics seem to have reinforced the rebels. You wonder whether he was doing it deliberately.

briantrumpet

I never had Leadsom down as a comedy act.

Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, has signalled that the Tory rebels will not have the whip removed immediately. In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

Yeah blame the other parties for not having a majority. Boo hoo.

Nope. But it's time for some politicians to grow a pair and agree to a GE if they want a majority, which they don't have either.

Seems pretty clear the only condition is that the Benn Bill is given royal assent first. Robert Peston has pointed out that Johnson could in theory accept the Bill then if he wins the election with sufficient majority, he could then repeal the Benn Bill in a single day and Leave with no deal.

mfin

"If johnson wins the election with sufficient majority" - won't happen, so its hypothetical.

briantrumpet

Have there ever been the circumstances in which a minority government has been left in the hot seat, at the whim of the opposing parties, for any length of time? There would be something slightly delicious about that, in the current circumstances (apart from the need to get this sh1tshow resolved somehow).

tailwindhome

Maybe Boris should have the balls to ask the EU for an extension tonight and call his election then.

briantrumpet

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

It's going to end up with Boris voting that he has no confidence in himself, and Corbyn voting to keep him there, isn't it?

That's is possible. Depends if Corbyn resists the temptation of a GE as he still seems to think he can win it.

Not sure which commentator said it:

Corbyn has a problem now, his entire Brexit policy was to force an election, if there is an election, what's his Brexit policy?

Olympic standard fence sitting doesn't really cut it as a policy, does it.

As someone wrote elsewhere

"Its a coup!!!! Its a coup!!!!!"

Have a general election to stop the coup then.

"Er, no thanks, we're fine"

"Johnson has no mandate "

Have a general election to secure a mandate of your own then.

"Naah, we're good"


"You cannot have too much democracy"

Have a democratic general election.

"Its the wrong kind of democracy"

Yeah blame the other parties for not having a majority. Boo hoo.

Nope. But it's time for some politicians to grow a pair and agree to a GE if they want a majority, which they don't have either.

Seems pretty clear the only condition is that the Benn Bill is given royal assent first. Robert Peston has pointed out that Johnson could in theory accept the Bill then if he wins the election with sufficient majority, he could then repeal the Benn Bill in a single day and Leave with no deal.

It needs a two thirds majority to call the GE. So, in theory, the Tories can be left (nominally) as the government, if Labour don't vote with them.

mr_goo

It's all academic. EU has said that Johnson has to go to Brussels to seek an extension and they are not prepared to renegotiate. So at present as far as EU concerned the default is No Deal on 31st October. Therefore could Johnson as head of HM Gov just sit on his hands and run the clock down?
Where does this put the current shenanigans in today's parliament?

shirley_basso

Wasn't that his plan by proroguing parliament (excuse spelling).

Fuck business indeed. Odious prick.

mfin

News now saying the 21 are out. Not a 2nd chance as Leadsom said. Mind you she probably got it wrong because she got it from god in a vision or something.

tailwindhome

Mr Goo wrote:

It's all academic. EU has said that Johnson has to go to Brussels to seek an extension and they are not prepared to renegotiate. So at present as far as EU concerned the default is No Deal on 31st October. Therefore could Johnson as head of HM Gov just sit on his hands and run the clock down?
Where does this put the current shenanigans in today's parliament?

Today was part one
Part two is passing the law to oblige the PM to ask for an extension.