Transfers 2016 : Rumours and fact
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19695430#p19695430]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19689600#p19689600]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:He's changing teams for 2016.
Off to ONE to ride a bit of ProConti action next year, I'd expect
You'd be correct.
With a view to DS in 2-3 years.
Just been publicly confirmed
A month off his 36th birthday. Fine age to step up to ProConti (assuming ONE get their PC licence)
…or go back to it
. He was with Navigators Insurance for a season in 2007.
Good to see some British riders being given the opportunity to ride against better opposition on a more regular basis. However, with due respect, none of those named to date are other than support riders at the higher level. Any other British Conti riders they pull across would be in the same category. Unless they will be happy to be similar to those PC teams that ride round at the back and struggle to get decent wildcards, they will probably need about 8-10 better and in some cases far better foreign riders. Without the guarantee of a license it may be difficult to recruit, yet if the procedure is delayed, they will be stuck with guys who have no contracts elsewhere and presumably, no-one wants.0 -
^forgot about his Navigators stint
Absolutely agree on the need for stronger riders, lyn, otherwise they'll just be making up the numbers in every race - and ultimately, whats the point? Riders will struggle to get results, which means they'll struggle to get noticed, and it'll be a cul-de-sac. Higher budget, not much to show for it0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.
Hmmmm0 -
I noticed today that Sky's main chef for most of their existence now works for MTN.
A chef transfer!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19695623#p19695623]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I noticed today that Sky's main chef for most of their existence now works for MTN.
A chef transfer!
Dare i say it, a chef de-partee?0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.
I do not think they have. In terms of road races Marcin won a stage of the RAS which attracts 3rd division and amateur teams. In his 3 years with Caja Rural, Karol had 202 days of racing with 3 top 10s(2 6ths in .2s and a 2nd in a mediocre .1. They may be good cyclists but nothing suggests they are natural leaders or more than support riders at a higher/much higher level. ie .1/HC/WT. If they are leaders, then the team is going to struggle.0 -
As I have said many times before the strength in depth of British riders is far below those of the proper cycling Nations. Some very good riders, just not PT. I think everyone would say a guy like Russ Downing is or was amoung the best of the best in terms of National racing. Went to PT and had his stocky frame handed to him. I have nothing against these guys and I quite like the Downings, just some of you need to face the reality.
For how much Froome and Wiggins and Cavendish and G put points on the table, Britain only has 14 riders in the PT and their points are heavily weighted with three of their older riders. As shown:
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=13035949Contador is the Greatest0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.
I do not think they have. In terms of road races Marcin won a stage of the RAS which attracts 3rd division and amateur teams. In his 3 years with Caja Rural, Karol had 202 days of racing with 3 top 10s(2 6ths in .2s and a 2nd in a mediocre .1. They may be good cyclists but nothing suggests they are natural leaders or more than support riders at a higher/much higher level. ie .1/HC/WT. If they are leaders, then the team is going to struggle.
Agreed. It's all a bit of an odd set-up. The UK desperately needs some Pro-Conti team(s) to help with that middle step. the likes of Hugh McCarthy getting his chance - and most importantly taking it, when others might have baulked at the step into the unknown of joining a Spanish team - aren't anything like common enough. Credit to Herety though - making sure the team have a varied intl race programme and giving McCarthy a platform like Tour of Korea to show his stuff...0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.
I do not think they have. In terms of road races Marcin won a stage of the RAS which attracts 3rd division and amateur teams. In his 3 years with Caja Rural, Karol had 202 days of racing with 3 top 10s(2 6ths in .2s and a 2nd in a mediocre .1. They may be good cyclists but nothing suggests they are natural leaders or more than support riders at a higher/much higher level. ie .1/HC/WT. If they are leaders, then the team is going to struggle.
Are we talking about the same Marcin Biablocki who recently won a stage of a World Tour race?
I don't dispute the central tenet of your argument, but I think you highlighted the wrong rider. 0 -
This discussion is probably for another thread, but Josh Edmondson must be high on the list of possible signings for One Pro Cycling. He's had a pretty impressive season.0
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The wording of the statement from ONE got me. Came across brash and quite disrespectful to the unwanted riders. Meh.0
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The wording of the statement from ONE got me. Came across brash and quite disrespectful to the unwanted riders. Meh.
'Xx and xx will not have their contracts renewed for 2016'
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Yeah, file under 'unnecessary'
Dunno, just don't have a warm fuzzy feeling towards the team0 -
Marcin Biablocki and Karol Domagalski both have experience and have won at that level, but as you said Rich, they are going to have some bring in some serious talent to balance the other riders in the team.
Lets not even get started on the sponsorship model.
I do not think they have. In terms of road races Marcin won a stage of the RAS which attracts 3rd division and amateur teams. In his 3 years with Caja Rural, Karol had 202 days of racing with 3 top 10s(2 6ths in .2s and a 2nd in a mediocre .1. They may be good cyclists but nothing suggests they are natural leaders or more than support riders at a higher/much higher level. ie .1/HC/WT. If they are leaders, then the team is going to struggle.
I disagree re. Biablocki. See his ride at the Tour of Poland. More suprised he isn't off to CCC where he could potentially do the Giro. Must be a money thing.
Fair point with Domagalski but he did manage to get a Vuelta ride as a foreigner on Caja, which given how nationalistically that team is, is no mean feat. That may be due to his skills as a domestique though; it could be an entirely different story when he's given a leadership role.0 -
Remember that ONE are only stepping up to Pro Conti - not looking to get GT wildcards yet. So they are competing with the likes of Novo Nordisk, Roompot, Drapac, Nippo, Rusvelo. They don't have to have big names.
If ONE could add the likes of Carthy, Thawaites, Edmondson, Mullen and Davies and surround them with some old pros and a few yanks who want to get to Europe them they could prosper.
I'm still hoping that Dairylea will sponsor them.Twitter: @RichN950 -
the standard of ProConti team varies wildly, from anonymous, to regular animators of races and winners who are not intimidated when they line up against WT teams
Team Novo Nordisk - former category
Drapac, Caja Rural fall in the latter category. Both contain some riders with WT experience. AN Post are Conti but are also a cracking team who thanks to Kelly generally get all the wildcard invites they want without having to up their budget.
If ONE don't recruit smartly - as lyn and I are both saying - they'll likely end up in the anonymous bucket at ProConti level. A team formed primarily around the British domestic pros we're looking at, won't cut it on their own
As for Mullen, McCarthy etc - Mullen's signed with Garmindale, McCarthy's on a 2 year with Caja Rural, doing v well and will be hoping to be able to move up to WT in 201. As for Davies, when he's ready to turn pro I would hope it will be with an established experienced team who will give him a great race programme & really help him develop0 -
While we are on the subject of ONE. In the statement it said the 8 retained riders will return full time next year. As probably all of them train full time anyway I imagine, what has changed, slightly better pay or something?
Going back to Mould, unless he has been dropped for other than bike reasons it seems logical to keep him just to be picking up wins on the UK crit scene and then have your multi day riders try and step up a level?0 -
One year extension for Boonen
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/tom-boonen-to-sign-new-contract-with-etixx-quick-step-189287?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
While we are on the subject of ONE. In the statement it said the 8 retained riders will return full time next year. As probably all of them train full time anyway I imagine, what has changed, slightly better pay or something?
Going back to Mould, unless he has been dropped for other than bike reasons it seems logical to keep him just to be picking up wins on the UK crit scene and then have your multi day riders try and step up a level?
ProConti not allowed to ride the domestic races - TS. NRS, National Crit Series - nada0 -
Oh right cheers for clearing that up. Well it takes away some of my surprise at the decision then0
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On the basis of what performance in 2015? Don't get me wrong, I am on the train, but he's hardly had an incredible season has he? A couple of chipper stages and a points jersey?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19696072#p19696072]The Loyal Lieutenant[/url] wrote:
On the basis of what performance in 2015? Don't get me wrong, I am on the train, but he's hardly had an incredible season has he? A couple of chipper stages and a points jersey?
He's an institution and still one of the biggest names in Belgian cycling. I personally think he's 3 years past his best.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19696072#p19696072]The Loyal Lieutenant[/url] wrote:
On the basis of what performance in 2015? Don't get me wrong, I am on the train, but he's hardly had an incredible season has he? A couple of chipper stages and a points jersey?
He was injured, and by all accounts his team will know exactly what his body is able to produce power wise in training and in the races he has done this season so why not? He's leaner than he's ever been.
He's already said he wants to retire at the end of 2016. He wants another shot at the spring classics and the Qatari world's suits him down to the ground.0 -
As I have said many times before the strength in depth of British riders is far below those of the proper cycling Nations. Some very good riders, just not PT. I think everyone would say a guy like Russ Downing is or was amoung the best of the best in terms of National racing. Went to PT and had his stocky frame handed to him. I have nothing against these guys and I quite like the Downings, just some of you need to face the reality.
For how much Froome and Wiggins and Cavendish and G put points on the table, Britain only has 14 riders in the PT and their points are heavily weighted with three of their older riders. As shown:
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=13035949
You're quite right, the UK is a recent entry into the world of road racing which now makes it's position as one of the top nations even more impressive.
SKYs short 6 year involvement in the pro ranks in particular is incredibly impressive. UK riders are now some of the best of in the world and the profile of cycling (pro, and more generally) is at an all time high.
At the same France, with the longest history of cycle racing, the most WT riders and the most teams in the best races seems to be wilting. The results are terrible, French people generally seem less interested in the sport and the number of events for casual cyclists seems to be falling year by year, while in the UK the have exploded.
It will be interesting have this conversation again in 10 years (but you're welcome to respond before!).0 -
In an interview for Sky Sports, Wiggins, talking about Cavendish, said he was 'changing teams'
MTN - Just you watch.
Going where the food is.Scott Addict 2011
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In an interview for Sky Sports, Wiggins, talking about Cavendish, said he was 'changing teams'
Oooh is he going to Team Wiggins?...or will it be Trek0 -
2012 - An Post, not retained
No Jon Mould? They will need all the help they can get if they go Pro Conti, and he's one of the better riders on the team.
2013 - Team UK Youth, team folded
2014 - NFTO, not retained
2015 - One Pro, not retained
Maybe there's a significance to this pattern?
Are you sure 'not retained' isn't 'chose to move on' though?
Maybe he wants to push for a GB Olympic track squad place next season?0 -
Boonen being Boonen has probably got a ride in the team until he personally says he wants to leave. Belgium gold.Contador is the Greatest0
