Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

src1

bendertherobot wrote:

35's do. 38's would rub I reckon. Rear was a bit of a bugger to get on the rim. But once on, just worked.

I don't fancy swapping them for anything else though. Quite tight on there.

If you think G-Ones are tight, try S-Ones!

Maybe it's just my rims, v1 Pacenti SL23s vs. new SL25s, but the S-Ones was a real pig to get on an SL23. So much so, I think it'd be impossible to get an inner-tube in it should the worst happen when out on the road.

bendertherobot

SRC1 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

35's do. 38's would rub I reckon. Rear was a bit of a bugger to get on the rim. But once on, just worked.

I don't fancy swapping them for anything else though. Quite tight on there.

If you think G-Ones are tight, try S-Ones!

Maybe it's just my rims, v1 Pacenti SL23s vs. new SL25s, but the S-Ones was a real pig to get on an SL23. So much so, I think it'd be impossible to get an inner-tube in it should the worst happen when out on the road.

Yep. I had my repair kit with me today and looked down at it thinking that I could probably just leave it at home.

I WAS kind of considering getting some Pro Ones and running them tubed (because they look nicer). But I think I'll stick to normal Ones.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

I am going to drop the tubes, used them once and managed it, just. The other morning had a puncture on the front that wouldn't seal but only opened up at 60 psi. It took me 10-12 minutes with a rag and tubeless tyre patch repair kit to repair it, to my amazement it has been fine ever since. I didn't even remove the tyre just a third of it giving room ot get he patch on. Even handier the sealant marks the spot where you need to get the patch. I would rather a bigger patch than the one I used just because it would make it easier to get it right working blind.

ddraver

Finally got the bike with the Sectors on built up on took it on its shakedown ride tonight. Running them at 6bar they feel wonderful. There don't seem to be any issues with the non-tubeless wheels (though I was slightly tentative). They feel like a magic carpet on a frame which I recall being very harsh (cheap!). I'm really looking forward to getting out on them nice and soft. Over the Carrefour de La Haye they removed the (really not very significant) cobble shaking almost completely. It's a real shame they won't fit on the nice bike for RVV next month...

ugo.santalucia

ddraver wrote:

Finally got the bike with the Sectors on built up on took it on its shakedown ride tonight. Running them at 6bar they feel wonderful. There don't seem to be any issues with the non-tubeless wheels (though I was slightly tentative). They feel like a magic carpet on a frame which I recall being very harsh (cheap!). I'm really looking forward to getting out on them nice and soft. Over the Carrefour de La Haye they removed the (really not very significant) cobble shaking almost completely. It's a real shame they won't fit on the nice bike for RVV next month...

The Sectors are nice and robust... not as exciting as the IRC I had on last year though

ddraver

No, but they re not on a bike meant for "excitement" as it were...

ugo.santalucia

ddraver wrote:

No, but they re not on a bike meant for "excitement" as it were...

All bikes should be exciting, please re-tune

ddraver

Well Played Sir

ddraver

So would the Hutch Atoms be good for a week or 2 in the Alps?

A bit special perhaps, but...

Simon430

How much sealant are people putting in their tyres? I used a stans cup full of sealant (40ml?) and used the wheels for a couple of weeks then thought I'd best re check the sealant level so only popped a portion of the bead off the rim and there wasn't a pool of sealant like I expected, could see sealant in there but was more like condensation and drips. I've put in another cup full in each tyre, going to use it for another couple of weeks and recheck.

How much sealant does a new tyre absorb? Tyres were schwalbe pro one 23c. Is expecting to see a pool of sealant in the tyre too much?

JoostG

Simon430 wrote:

How much sealant are people putting in their tyres? I used a stans cup full of sealant (40ml?) and used the wheels for a couple of weeks then thought I'd best re check the sealant level so only popped a portion of the bead off the rim and there wasn't a pool of sealant like I expected, could see sealant in there but was more like condensation and drips. I've put in another cup full in each tyre, going to use it for another couple of weeks and recheck.

How much sealant does a new tyre absorb? Tyres were schwalbe pro one 23c. Is expecting to see a pool of sealant in the tyre too much?

Pro One's need sealant to seal, so it is normal that your 'first' cup disappeared.

ddraver

Enough tyre clearance for Pave? (28s shouldn't fit but on the wider rims they do just about...)

oldbazza

Finally got the Sectors fitted on the Archetypes although the Joe Blow pump(or the operator) had a hard time getting them inflated;first one was a real faff but the second was better(with experience I guess),did manage to knock the bottle of sealant over :roll: and can confirm that it makes a right mess .
Ridden them on the past couple of days and can see what all the fuss is about now,seem to pick up quick and just rolls over most road imperfections;rear deflated yesterday when I got to work but so far both are fine at the moment(about 3 hrs after arriving).

Wrath Rob

Bah, missed out on some Hutchinson Galactiks in 25mm on Chainreaction and I can't find any others anywhere else. Has anyone else had any luck?

ddraver

Dunno, are they replacing them with the new Fusion's though? http://www.hutchinsontires.com/en/road/110-fusion5.html

Wrath Rob

They're part of the F5 range, aimed more at winter rides/commuters

ddraver

Bike 24 has them for 50 eus

luv2ride

oldbazza wrote:

Finally got the Sectors fitted on the Archetypes although the Joe Blow pump(or the operator) had a hard time getting them inflated;first one was a real faff but the second was better(with experience I guess),did manage to knock the bottle of sealant over :roll: and can confirm that it makes a right mess .
Ridden them on the past couple of days and can see what all the fuss is about now,seem to pick up quick and just rolls over most road imperfections;rear deflated yesterday when I got to work but so far both are fine at the moment(about 3 hrs after arriving).

Having used the 2ltr fizzy drink bottle "compressor" hack successfully four times now, I can heartily recommend it for getting tubeless tyre beads up and in the rim quickly. Look for it on YouTube, there are several variations on a theme. You can assemble them easily from spare parts you're likely to have lying around. I just needed to buy some 5mm plastic pipe, which cost me 97p. Oh, and wear safety specs just in case!

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Saw some Panaracer Race A Evo 3 Tubeless in the flesh this week I think I will give those a try when I break out the summer bike

http://road.cc/content/tech-news/169436 ... road-tyres

mechanism

Luv2ride wrote:

Having used the 2ltr fizzy drink bottle "compressor" hack successfully...

I hadn't seen this before but I'll give it a go when the 25mm Schwalbe One Evolutions arrive from bike24.

This video looks good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtmatxJG_zg

g00se

I use the fizzy bottle hack - works well. The trick is to make sure the pipe seals to the bottle well.

ugo.santalucia

First thousand miles on the Sector and they age very well, hardly any cut and still a lot of rubber to wear... unlike the Schwalbe ONE, which were completely shattered after the same distance...

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

1600 miles without any problems on the S-One tubeless hardly any cutting up and hold air better than a tubed clincher.

I really think Schwalbe have gone the wrong direction with the New One reducing weight the original one like the post above got to about 1000-1200 miles before they gave me a few niggles, but the main niggle was looking at the cuts and holes and thinking I should really replace this, but then the other half of you thinks bloody hell £80-100 for replacing two tyres with only 1000 miles in them.

ddraver

For sure they need something between the Pro-One and the S-One now. A Durano Tubeless as it were - even an S-One in 25c would help...

I'm sure it's coming but I guess they think they need to get people viewing tubeless systems as their "standard" set up first so have focused on the high end/specialist race tyres

kmanchester

Does anyone know when the Pro One will be in stock in 25 mm?

dork_knight

I've had a few stock alerts setup but decided to try the IRC's from Malcolm due to the wait, seems too long a wait when you can try an alternative (unless you're wanting a lighter weight summer/racing tubeless tyre).

drlodge

I think my rear Schwalbe One tubeless has more or less had it and will be replacing it this weekend with an IRC roadlite. Its probably done only about 1000 miles but it was leaking from the sidewall (where the tyre meets the rim) and has some wear and cuts etc. Was going to swap it with the front, but think I'll just replace it now. I guess the front will last about 2x the length of the rear.

Fortunately an old air compressor I bought from a mate many years ago still works, I might need it to pop the tyres on the rims.

g00se

drlodge wrote:

I think my rear Schwalbe One tubeless has more or less had it and will be replacing it this weekend with an IRC roadlite. Its probably done only about 1000 miles but it was leaking from the sidewall (where the tyre meets the rim)

Can you let us know how the roadlites compare to the schwalbes for ride quality and feel? I've got a pair of One tubeless that have done about 3000 miles and haven't cut up as badly as others have experienced. Rear is squaring off though.

ugo.santalucia

g00se wrote:

drlodge wrote:

I think my rear Schwalbe One tubeless has more or less had it and will be replacing it this weekend with an IRC roadlite. Its probably done only about 1000 miles but it was leaking from the sidewall (where the tyre meets the rim)

Can you let us know how the roadlites compare to the schwalbes for ride quality and feel? I've got a pair of One tubeless that have done about 3000 miles and haven't cut up as badly as others have experienced. Rear is squaring off though.

Did you not read the review on my blog (in the signature)? I wrote it last year... the IRC are ace, just as performing, but longer lasting, totally worth it!

g00se

ugo.santalucia wrote:

g00se wrote:

drlodge wrote:

I think my rear Schwalbe One tubeless has more or less had it and will be replacing it this weekend with an IRC roadlite. Its probably done only about 1000 miles but it was leaking from the sidewall (where the tyre meets the rim)

Can you let us know how the roadlites compare to the schwalbes for ride quality and feel? I've got a pair of One tubeless that have done about 3000 miles and haven't cut up as badly as others have experienced. Rear is squaring off though.

Did you not read the review on my blog (in the signature)? I wrote it last year... the IRC are ace, just as performing, but longer lasting, totally worth it!

Yes, but just getting another opinion.

I haven't found the wear issues you have with the Schwalbes - certainly not the older pre-Pro tyres.