Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    Yeah - I've gone with some S-Ones too - interested to see how they go relative to the Clement Xplors (60tpi 35c with tubes)
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  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    Definitely more sure footed in the wet, but then looking at Road.cc review and looking back over this thread I have been running my tubeless way too high PSI. Running these 60 in the front and 65 on the back.
  • rowlers
    rowlers Posts: 1,614
    Paul1000 wrote:
    Anyone heard of vee tyre Apache chief tubeless, seen them on fleabay £28, they're 185tpi and 270g for 25's.
    I think someone needs to take one for the team! Could be a great alternative...
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  • fuel2000
    fuel2000 Posts: 65
    Schwalbe Pro one tubeless 25mm are in stock at Hunt wheels, it says there due in end of Feb on their website, but i ordered some and they came the next day!
  • bradsbeard
    bradsbeard Posts: 210
    Stuck the Zipp wheels that have the Schwalbe Pro Ones onto the bike today. Same odd vibration as I rode like a bulge in the tyre. Closer inspection shows what you can see in the photos. Wear to the carcass just off centre and a groove running down. These have about 300 miles on them! Bummer bought from Germany to. Not impressed.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    bradsbeard wrote:
    Stuck the Zipp wheels that have the Schwalbe Pro Ones onto the bike today. Same odd vibration as I rode like a bulge in the tyre. Closer inspection shows what you can see in the photos. Wear to the carcass just off centre and a groove running down. These have about 300 miles on them! Bummer bought from Germany to. Not impressed.
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    Most likely due to ocking your wheel on a very abrasive tarmac.
    On a more general point... these weigh 240 grams, while most tubeless tyres are around 300, where do you think the weight saving comes from?

    Durability of the Schwalbe one has always been their Achilles' heel, as I pointed out in my review almost two years ago
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Anyone know of any cheap, strong tubeless wheels? (standard road/rim brake QR hubs)

    Weight not a massive concern (within reason) as looking for use on a winter/knockabout bike. Probably run them with 28c tyres (or G-Ones if they ll fit the frame)
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  • bradsbeard
    bradsbeard Posts: 210
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Most likely due to ocking your wheel on a very abrasive tarmac.
    On a more general point... these weigh 240 grams, while most tubeless tyres are around 300, where do you think the weight saving comes from?

    Durability of the Schwalbe one has always been their Achilles' heel, as I pointed out in my review almost two years ago

    Nope haven't been locked up and that wouldn't explain the groove running around the near entire circumference of the tyre. the wear to the carcass are deep and not gradual as you get when you lock a tyre and burn the rubber away.

    I had Ultremos which did a similar thing a few years back. There was a recall on them in the end.
  • cattytown
    cattytown Posts: 647
    Could there be something like a cable end rubbing?
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  • JoostG
    JoostG Posts: 189
    ddraver wrote:
    Anyone know of any cheap, strong tubeless wheels? (standard road/rim brake QR hubs)

    Weight not a massive concern (within reason) as looking for use on a winter/knockabout bike. Probably run them with 28c tyres (or G-Ones if they ll fit the frame)

    I recently bought a superstarcomponents pave wheelset for 99 pound (white or gold rim). I run them tubeless with one layer of yellow tape. Keep in mind that this rim is 23mm wide, and that my 23mm Schwalbe Pro one's measure 26mm on this rim.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Intersting Joost, very interesting. Would Gold work on a black frame do you reckon? ;)

    Do people reckon a 30c would fit on this (that is a 25c Pro One)

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  • bradsbeard
    bradsbeard Posts: 210
    cattytown wrote:
    Could there be something like a cable end rubbing?

    Di2 and hydraulic brakes.
  • cattytown
    cattytown Posts: 647
    No problem - was just a thought.
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  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    bradsbeard wrote:
    cattytown wrote:
    Could there be something like a cable end rubbing?

    Di2 and hydraulic brakes.
    Have you contacted Schwalbe direct? If not by email Twitter has been effective for someone I know for a replacement of Tubeless (Original) One. A lump just fell off exposing a bit of bluishe under layer.
  • JesseD
    JesseD Posts: 1,961
    ddraver wrote:
    Intersting Joost, very interesting. Would Gold work on a black frame do you reckon? ;)

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    It would and it would make your bike look like the 80's classic Raleigh Record Sprint!
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    yep - ordered them. Now just have to decide what to wrap them with...
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  • bradsbeard
    bradsbeard Posts: 210
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:
    bradsbeard wrote:
    cattytown wrote:
    Could there be something like a cable end rubbing?

    Di2 and hydraulic brakes.
    Have you contacted Schwalbe direct? If not by email Twitter has been effective for someone I know for a replacement of Tubeless (Original) One. A lump just fell off exposing a bit of bluishe under layer.

    Yes I have tweeted a pic of the tyre and heard nothing back as yet.
  • nicklong
    nicklong Posts: 231
    Not exactly the right thread, but seems like the best repository of knowledge...

    Are there any cons to riding tubeless tyres in a race? I can only think of positives - i.e. not having to retire due to a puncture! Is there any greater safety risk at all?

    I'm surprised tubeless tyres aren't used more in professional racing, given the impact an untimely puncture can have - why not remove all the unwanted variables unless there are any considerable downsides?

    Any recommendations on racing tubeless tyres to pair with Reynolds Assaults carbon clinchers?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Hutch' Atoms or Schwalbe Pro 1s

    IAM were using tubeless for some of the classics last year but at the end of the day, a extensive collection of beautiful super light wheels running a plentiful supply of tubular tyres, all glued by someone else with a car behind you carrying spares will always be the better option for the Pros
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  • bradsbeard
    bradsbeard Posts: 210
    nicklong wrote:
    Not exactly the right thread, but seems like the best repository of knowledge...

    Are there any cons to riding tubeless tyres in a race? I can only think of positives - i.e. not having to retire due to a puncture! Is there any greater safety risk at all?

    I'm surprised tubeless tyres aren't used more in professional racing, given the impact an untimely puncture can have - why not remove all the unwanted variables unless there are any considerable downsides?

    Any recommendations on racing tubeless tyres to pair with Reynolds Assaults carbon clinchers?

    Just remember you'll still loose a fair bit of air until the latex solution does its work. I lost as much as 40psi on one puncture. Bike covered in latex which is a bastard when it dries!

    Until the issue with my Pro One I agree a great tyre.
  • nicklong
    nicklong Posts: 231
    bradsbeard wrote:

    Just remember you'll still loose a fair bit of air until the latex solution does its work. I lost as much as 40psi on one puncture. Bike covered in latex which is a bastard when it dries!

    Until the issue with my Pro One I agree a great tyre.

    Is this standard or worst case? And how did you get the latex off?

    My new wheels have come with tubes and a pair of GP4000Ss so I'm a bit torn between keeping them on till they're worn, or adding them to my unworn tyre collection and fork out for tubeless. I don't really have many punctures in a year - although now I've written that, of course my season has been jinxed.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    The amount of air lost is proportional to the size of the hole basically...

    If you re not concerned with your current set up then I'd wait until your current set up wear out. They re good but they re not revolutionary
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  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    So far I am pleased with the S-One 30mm doesn't appear to cut up much nor slow me down. Fattest tyre I have ever run, and first ever with a bit of knobble.

    Don't know it is the tyre or just set up better but they lose very little air compared to the 25/23mm original One's. Lowest I have cycled is 45psi in the back which was too low at 185lbs rider weight but was running late and it was day three of not putting any air in so it had lost 15psi in 72 hours. I was losing that in 24 hours on the 25mm on the same wheels
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Joost -what pressures do you run your Superstar wheels at?
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  • JoostG
    JoostG Posts: 189
    Out of habit I run them 70psi front and 80psi rear. As the 23mm Pro One's measure 26mm on these rims, I could/should go lower.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Ok, but at "road pressures"

    This will be my first tubeless on non-tubeless set up so I'm just checking...
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  • JoostG
    JoostG Posts: 189
    ddraver wrote:
    Ok, but at "road pressures"

    This will be my first tubeless on non-tubeless set up so I'm just checking...

    I can imagine. The strange thing about these Pave rims is that in one review they're called tubeless ready, and in case of Superstars newer Arc rims they use 'Verve design' (just as with the Pave's) and the Arcs are tubeless ready according to Superstar.....
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Just FYI from Superstar
    The Pave28 rims are not a tubeless ready rim by design so we cannot recommend running them tubeless.

    But I think I got the last set and the new equivalnets ARE, so...meh
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  • gaffer_slow
    gaffer_slow Posts: 417
    Don't know if it has been mentioned before,

    Hutchinson Fusion 5 Galactik Tubeless 2016

    23 - 240g
    25 - 250g

    Bit confusing all the different varieties of the new Fusion 5 from what i can tell there is 3 different versions of each size for tubeless, and then there is various other non-tubeless versions.



    http://www.hutchinsontires.com/en/road/110-fusion5.html
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Fitted the Hutch Sector to my HED + rims... easy to fit, yet easy to pump up with a track pump, needed sealant to stop leaking air, they seem to have sealed nicely as soon as I added the Stans and gave them a spin. will check them tomorrow
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