The Championship (mainly The Barcodes) thread

mr_goo

The cost of promotion for the Cherries is already mounting up.
Kenwyn Jones on loan from Cardiff since end of January and has only played 45 mins = £600k plus wages. Cardiff charged £350k signing on and £250k if Cherries got promoted.
Callum Wilson, signed from Coventry for £3m. A 'six figure sum' bonus to Cov in realising a clause in selling him.
Artur Boruc, although no mention of any bonus due to The Saints, I bet it is another 'six figures'.

Things Cherries have to do:
Under soil heating
New flood lights (apparently this is due to HD cameras being used for Prem League!)
100x New press stations complete with HD TVs and all the hard wiring that is required
Goal Line Technology

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

shockedsoshocked

Mr Goo wrote:

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

Is that Howes decision to make?

mr_goo

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

Is that Howes decision to make?

It seems that he does have influence on this. He thinks that it gives and advantage to the away team to have their supporters behind a goal. Possibly correct. But then I notice that a lot of away support in the Prem Lge is either in a corner or up in the gods (Newcastle).

mr_goo

If Boro don't make it in play-offs. Want chance of the Cherries getting Bamford on loan?

lostboysaint

Mr Goo wrote:

The cost of promotion for the Cherries is already mounting up.
Kenwyn Jones on loan from Cardiff since end of January and has only played 45 mins = £600k plus wages. Cardiff charged £350k signing on and £250k if Cherries got promoted.
Callum Wilson, signed from Coventry for £3m. A 'six figure sum' bonus to Cov in realising a clause in selling him.
Artur Boruc, although no mention of any bonus due to The Saints, I bet it is another 'six figures'.

Things Cherries have to do:
Under soil heating
New flood lights (apparently this is due to HD cameras being used for Prem League!)
100x New press stations complete with HD TVs and all the hard wiring that is required
Goal Line Technology

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

That's why they're in very advanced negotiations to ground share at St Mary's for at least one season.

t4tomo

Mr Goo wrote:

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

Is that Howes decision to make?

It seems that he does have influence on this. He thinks that it gives and advantage to the away team to have their supporters behind a goal. Possibly correct. But then I notice that a lot of away support in the Prem Lge is either in a corner or up in the gods (Newcastle).

Thats also about fleecing away supporter as you can charge them more than the equivalent seats sold to home fans. Behind the goal is the traditional cheap seats, if you put them on a "long side" but towards the corner you can charge premium price and keep more cheap seats for your home fans.

mr_goo

lostboysaint wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

The cost of promotion for the Cherries is already mounting up.
Kenwyn Jones on loan from Cardiff since end of January and has only played 45 mins = £600k plus wages. Cardiff charged £350k signing on and £250k if Cherries got promoted.
Callum Wilson, signed from Coventry for £3m. A 'six figure sum' bonus to Cov in realising a clause in selling him.
Artur Boruc, although no mention of any bonus due to The Saints, I bet it is another 'six figures'.

Things Cherries have to do:
Under soil heating
New flood lights (apparently this is due to HD cameras being used for Prem League!)
100x New press stations complete with HD TVs and all the hard wiring that is required
Goal Line Technology

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

That's why they're in very advanced negotiations to ground share at St Mary's for at least one season.

Not going to happen. Look at Eibar in La Liga. Capacity just over 5,000. Small can be advantageous.

lostboysaint

Mr Goo wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

The cost of promotion for the Cherries is already mounting up.
Kenwyn Jones on loan from Cardiff since end of January and has only played 45 mins = £600k plus wages. Cardiff charged £350k signing on and £250k if Cherries got promoted.
Callum Wilson, signed from Coventry for £3m. A 'six figure sum' bonus to Cov in realising a clause in selling him.
Artur Boruc, although no mention of any bonus due to The Saints, I bet it is another 'six figures'.

Things Cherries have to do:
Under soil heating
New flood lights (apparently this is due to HD cameras being used for Prem League!)
100x New press stations complete with HD TVs and all the hard wiring that is required
Goal Line Technology

On another note, I read quite a few times yesterday that they may not increase the capacity of stadium to 15,000. This would cost £1.8m with a revenue gain of £900k over the season. This is not the real issue. Apparently if the south end is enlarged this is where all the away support would be seated, and Eddie Howe does not want any away support behind the goal.

That's why they're in very advanced negotiations to ground share at St Mary's for at least one season.

Not going to happen. Look at Eibar in La Liga. Capacity just over 5,000. Small can be advantageous.

I suggest that you look a little deeper into Eibar and the Spanish League and it's rules, regulations and funding before making irrelevant comparisons. As a shareholder that recently went to Madrid to see them take on Real I may have a little more knowledge about the subject.

So explain to me exactly how you will have Dean Court up to the required standards in three months* - and if you think the PL WON'T bow down to their financial paymasters and stop you being promoted because you haven't got a suitable ground in time then think again!

*which clearly AFCB aren't convinced about because, whether you like it or not, negotiations are at a very advanced stage to share St Mary's or at least one season.

Stevo_666

lostboysaint wrote:

So explain to me exactly how you will have Dean Court up to the required standards in three months* - and if you think the PL WON'T bow down to their financial paymasters and stop you being promoted because you haven't got a suitable ground in time then think again!

*which clearly AFCB aren't convinced about because, whether you like it or not, negotiations are at a very advanced stage to share St Mary's or at least one season.

Could be interesting if they don't manage either :twisted: Presumably the third placed team would get automatic promotion by default...

mr_goo

There are no minimum capacity standards for the Prem Lge now, only technical and press requirements. There has been no news of any threat to stop the Cherries promotion. Get your facts right.

Stevo_666

Looking on the bright side, it doesn't really matter what happens today so we can just enjoy the footy.

mr_goo

CHAMPIONS! CHAMPIONS! CHAMPIONS!

Got to be hones with you Steve, if I were you I would be a wee bit worried about Boro. Their form dropped off over last couple weeks.

Stevo_666

Mr Goo wrote:

CHAMPIONS! CHAMPIONS! CHAMPIONS!

Got to be hones with you Steve, if I were you I would be a wee bit worried about Boro. Their form dropped off over last couple weeks.

Checking Ferries

True, Boro form has not been good recently but our play off place was guaranteed already so maybe they felt there was not a lot to play for today. Anyway, onwards to the play off lottery and I may be happy for other reasons tomorrow

verylonglegs

Well the local police are a little relieved that the Norwich games have fallen into the early Saturday slots, they really wouldn't have fancied them getting the Friday night games. It's going to be fun at work next week watching the City fans getting more edgy as the weekend approaches.

t4tomo

verylonglegs wrote:

Well the local police are a little relieved that the Norwich games have fallen into the early Saturday slots, they really wouldn't have fancied them getting the Friday night games. It's going to be fun at work next week watching the City fans getting more edgy as the weekend approaches.

That was pre decided, I was check a week or two back, the FA website had fixed the dates but said if either of 3v6 or 4v5 was East Anglian Derby then they would switch the prearranged fixtures to put that as the Saturday match.

Going back to Ground requirements, Brentford still have terracing I believe and 12,500 max capacity, if they make it up via the playoffs. I think that would be a bigger concern than Bournemouth's ground.

mr_goo

Another fail for Steve McClaren seems to be rewarded with the prospect of managing the BarCodes. Albeit that might actually be in the Championship next season.

Stevo_666

Mr Goo wrote:

Another fail for Steve McClaren seems to be rewarded with the prospect of managing the BarCodes. Albeit that might actually be in the Championship next season.

Who in their right mind would want that job?

t4tomo

Stevo 666 wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Another fail for Steve McClaren seems to be rewarded with the prospect of managing the BarCodes. Albeit that might actually be in the Championship next season.

Who in their right mind would want that job?

Having experienced working for the best chairman in football in a prior job, I can't see SMac swapping Derby for Newcastle if ashley is still there, it would be a step backwards. If newcastle go down, which is still unlikely, they will sink.

Stevo_666

t4tomo wrote:

Having experienced working for the best chairman in football in a prior job

Gibson?

t4tomo

Stevo 666 wrote:

t4tomo wrote:

Having experienced working for the best chairman in football in a prior job

Gibson?

I'd say so, can't think of a better one.
#UTB

Stevo_666

t4tomo wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

t4tomo wrote:

Having experienced working for the best chairman in football in a prior job

Gibson?

I'd say so, can't think of a better one.
#UTB

Thought so. Just checking

mr_goo

And another £500k floats out of the finance department window at Dean Court. This time on Tokelo Rantie! Who the f**k is that you may ask. I think most Cherries supporters are too. Signed from Malmo for £3.5m with a promotion clause on the contract, he is a South African who previously played for the Stars of Africa. A very expensive lesson learnt by the Cherries in never to sign a striker that performs well in an inferior league.

Stevo_666

Mr Goo wrote:

And another £500k floats out of the finance department window at Dean Court. This time on Tokelo Rantie! Who the f**k is that you may ask. I think most Cherries supporters are too. Signed from Malmo for £3.5m with a promotion clause on the contract, he is a South African who previously played for the Stars of Africa. A very expensive lesson learnt by the Cherries in never to sign a striker that performs well in an inferior league.

Small beer when set against the income that they will make from media rights and parachute payments. Also if Bournemouth are to have a chance of surviving more than one season in the PL, they are going to have to invest in players (wisely, as it didn't work for QPR).

southdownswolf

Stevo 666 wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

And another £500k floats out of the finance department window at Dean Court. This time on Tokelo Rantie! Who the f**k is that you may ask. I think most Cherries supporters are too. Signed from Malmo for £3.5m with a promotion clause on the contract, he is a South African who previously played for the Stars of Africa. A very expensive lesson learnt by the Cherries in never to sign a striker that performs well in an inferior league.

Small beer when set against the income that they will make from media rights and parachute payments. Also if Bournemouth are to have a chance of surviving more than one season in the PL, they are going to have to invest in players (wisely, as it didn't work for QPR).

It's often quoted that clubs will make 60,80,100,120 million etc out of the Premier League, but the reality is that many clubs end up in more debt unless they can stay up for a few years.
Bournemouth are going to have to spend millions on the ground, and probably actually lose capacity in regards to supporters seating. Floodlights, underground heating, extra seating for media, catering and technology for the above. Then the existing players will be rewarded with bonuses and a pay rise. Any new players will demand huge wages to be enticed to a club that in all likelihood will struggle next year and if they were relegated, chances are that the wages would still be huge.

lostboysaint

Mr Goo wrote:

There are no minimum capacity standards for the Prem Lge now, only technical and press requirements. There has been no news of any threat to stop the Cherries promotion. Get your facts right.

A couple of things - we'll put it down to your over-exuberance at your promotion.

1. Please feel free to point out where I mentioned capacity. It's your obsession, not mine.
2. Absolutely, and it's precisely those technical & press requirements that have seen them in negotiations with SFC for a ground share.
3. No there hasn't, that's because the PL are well aware of the plans that they have for both the ground improvements and the contingency should that not happen on time.

When you've calmed down a bit, feel free to pop back if you want a rational discussion. Perhaps you'd like to include how you're going to achieve all those measures in the time and why your board is already in advanced discussions with SFC when they don't need to be.

Oh, and just so that you know, the Madrid vs Eibar game was excellent. The atmosphere amongst the fans was great despite the result and there was plenty of interest in the "crazy English" that had bought shares in their club.

mr_goo

lostboysaint wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

There are no minimum capacity standards for the Prem Lge now, only technical and press requirements. There has been no news of any threat to stop the Cherries promotion. Get your facts right.

A couple of things - we'll put it down to your over-exuberance at your promotion.

1. Please feel free to point out where I mentioned capacity. It's your obsession, not mine.
2. Absolutely, and it's precisely those technical & press requirements that have seen them in negotiations with SFC for a ground share.
3. No there hasn't, that's because the PL are well aware of the plans that they have for both the ground improvements and the contingency should that not happen on time.

When you've calmed down a bit, feel free to pop back if you want a rational discussion. Perhaps you'd like to include how you're going to achieve all those measures in the time and why your board is already in advanced discussions with SFC when they don't need to be.

Oh, and just so that you know, the Madrid vs Eibar game was excellent. The atmosphere amongst the fans was great despite the result and there was plenty of interest in the "crazy English" that had bought shares in their club.

Still no mention at all in any news threads of ground sharing with The Saints. Would have thought a leak would have been apparent by now.

However I am now going to come down off cloud 9, as I have read a few things today that should worry any Cherries fan. Firstly another £10m+ loss for previous season. The owners loan of £25m is repayable in 2 years!! No plans to improve the stadium (other than PL Tech requirements) and money to be spent on replacing the 7 players released today.
I will look forward to next season and it will be great to see them at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford et all. But I have a nagging feeling that the owner is an Oyston Mk2.

verylonglegs

southdownswolf wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

And another £500k floats out of the finance department window at Dean Court. This time on Tokelo Rantie! Who the f**k is that you may ask. I think most Cherries supporters are too. Signed from Malmo for £3.5m with a promotion clause on the contract, he is a South African who previously played for the Stars of Africa. A very expensive lesson learnt by the Cherries in never to sign a striker that performs well in an inferior league.

Small beer when set against the income that they will make from media rights and parachute payments. Also if Bournemouth are to have a chance of surviving more than one season in the PL, they are going to have to invest in players (wisely, as it didn't work for QPR).

It's often quoted that clubs will make 60,80,100,120 million etc out of the Premier League, but the reality is that many clubs end up in more debt unless they can stay up for a few years.
Bournemouth are going to have to spend millions on the ground, and probably actually lose capacity in regards to supporters seating. Floodlights, underground heating, extra seating for media, catering and technology for the above. Then the existing players will be rewarded with bonuses and a pay rise. Any new players will demand huge wages to be enticed to a club that in all likelihood will struggle next year and if they were relegated, chances are that the wages would still be huge.

Don't forget inflated transfer fees when the club enquires about possible signing and the selling club knows you have PL income.

mr_goo

Nearly fell of my chair whilst choking on my cornflakes, after reading that Cherries are looking at signing Micah Richards. As if? My advice is NO. NO. NO. Do not sign anyone who has been a fringe Prem player, it will end up bankrupting the club and do nothing for team morale.
Both Cherries and Watford should be looking at Championship players who missed out on promotion this season or those that are rising stars in that league. They will be hungry for success, unlike many Prem also rans that are content with warming the bench and collecting a weighty weekly pay packet.
You only have to read comments made by Kenwyn Jones who went on load to Cherries for last couple of months. Apparently he was shocked/amazed at the work ethic the players put in for training! and the attention to detail that Howe put in for each match and for each players programme on and off the pitch.

Stevo_666

Never mind that, as Bournemouth have been promoted you need to change the thread title. If my lot don't get the third promotion spot I reckon it should be renamed as the Boro thread

t4tomo

Mr Goo wrote:

And another £500k floats out of the finance department window at Dean Court. This time on Tokelo Rantie! Who the f**k is that you may ask. I think most Cherries supporters are too. Signed from Malmo for £3.5m with a promotion clause on the contract, he is a South African who previously played for the Stars of Africa. A very expensive lesson learnt by the Cherries in never to sign a striker that performs well in an inferior league.

I give you 2 of Boro's finest Afonso Alves and Lee Dong Gook!