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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,317
    morstar said:

    That the communist Chinese understand the problem with monopolies better than the West.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56701765

    It's commonly recognised that Apple practices are stifling app development.


    Oh, I think it's understood in the west, but they haven't got the balls to take them on. I still don't get it how aggressively they went after Microsoft (e.g. on unbundling Internet Explorer), but have given Apple a free pass.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited April 2021
    I suppose Apple don't hold the monopoly on phones that Microsoft had on PC software?
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  • rick_chasey
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    elbowloh said:

    I suppose Apple don't hold the monopoly on phones that Microsoft had on PC software?

    If you look at the stats about how many people apple, Amazon etc employ as lobbyists, it becomes less surprising.

    Imagine the communists who have embraced capitalism treat capitalism like a very carefully controlled experiment. Part of the 5 year plan. So they are totally relaxed about tinkering with it as they see fit.

    No ideological capital invested (pun intended). No voters to please.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited April 2021
    Ineos and BASF the same with chemicals.

    Lots of them have brexit as the perfect opportunity to cement their monopolies as well.
  • briantrumpet
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    elbowloh said:

    I suppose Apple don't hold the monopoly on phones that Microsoft had on PC software?


    Other options were available at the time... not least Apple.

    It's ironic now that Apple were the mavericks at the time, the good little guys, and now have display all the tendencies of monopolistic behemoths, while Microsoft have become the hippy option that allows users to tinker under the bonnet, while Apple has locked it shut, while utterly controlling their 'internal market', the thing that MS was forced to open up.

    I'm not sure what it's cash pile is now, but somewhere in the region of $200bn. That's not a free market that's working. They can afford to lobby hard with that cash reservoir.
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  • surrey_commuter
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    rick_chasey said:

    elbowloh said:

    I suppose Apple don't hold the monopoly on phones that Microsoft had on PC software?

    If you look at the stats about how many people apple, Amazon etc employ as lobbyists, it becomes less surprising.

    Imagine the communists who have embraced capitalism treat capitalism like a very carefully controlled experiment. Part of the 5 year plan. So they are totally relaxed about tinkering with it as they see fit.

    No ideological capital invested (pun intended). No voters to please.
    Not being pedantic because I think it is a very important point. Short-term for China is 20 years.
  • rick_chasey
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  • Jezyboy
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    rick_chasey said:

    So brave.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,119
    edited May 2021
    Pretty dark. Associated Press journalist, writing YESTERDAY:

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  • rick_chasey
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    This is basically a type of diversity intervention that the Tories hate so much.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    rick_chasey said:



    This is basically a type of diversity intervention that the Tories hate so much.

    It's also bollocks. Museum trustees and chairmen often seem to be Tory donors and mates of Tories.
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  • rick_chasey
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    edited May 2021
    elbowloh said:

    rick_chasey said:



    This is basically a type of diversity intervention that the Tories hate so much.

    It's also bollocks. Museum trustees and chairmen often seem to be Tory donors and mates of Tories.
    It’s this kind of confused thinking that makes their defence that they object to the means of improving the problems minorities have rather than the end is disingenuous, as when they have an end they approve of they are happy to use the same means.
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  • Jezyboy
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    elbowloh said:

    rick_chasey said:



    This is basically a type of diversity intervention that the Tories hate so much.

    It's also bollocks. Museum trustees and chairmen often seem to be Tory donors and mates of Tories.
    I think increasingly though its the wrong type of tory.
  • blazing_saddles
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    edited May 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    elbowloh said:

    rick_chasey said:



    This is basically a type of diversity intervention that the Tories hate so much.

    It's also bollocks. Museum trustees and chairmen often seem to be Tory donors and mates of Tories.
    It’s this kind of confused thinking that makes their defence that they object to the means of improving the problems minorities have rather than the end is disingenuous, as when they have an end they approve of they are happy to use the same means.

    Talking of confused, I look forward to the day when Google translate adds Woke to their list of languages.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited May 2021
    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?


    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?
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  • ballysmate
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    rick_chasey said:

    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?


    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?

    My view entirely.

    Tbf the piece you quote doesn't mention imposing quotas does it? Dowden expresses a desire for a more diverse make up, something I would have thought you would have supported.
    Much like I may have a desire for a more diverse representation at the top of businesses or government, where we live in a true meritocracy but would not accept quotas to achieve this.

  • surrey_commuter
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    rick_chasey said:

    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?

    P
    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?

    I sometimes think that you like being triggered.

    My reaction is to laugh at them appointing a token northerner. Will they lay on separate snacks?

    Do you not think some of the people already on these committees are northerners? But they will be the wrong sort of northerner so they will need your help to write the JD so they get applications from the right sort of stereotypical whippet fvcking, brass band, George Formby, crown green bowling northerner
  • rick_chasey
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    edited May 2021
    ballysmate said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?


    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?

    My view entirely.

    Tbf the piece you quote doesn't mention imposing quotas does it? Dowden expresses a desire for a more diverse make up, something I would have thought you would have supported.
    Much like I may have a desire for a more diverse representation at the top of businesses or government, where we live in a true meritocracy but would not accept quotas to achieve this.

    Sure. I’m saying there’s irony here right?

    And I’m pointing that out.

    And the piece talks specifically about having more non-Londoners on the boards.

    For me the lack of consistency on the topic is revealing, right?


    We can have the debate on the topic of diversity representation - maybe in another thread - but I’m not taking a stance here - just pointing out this govt want it both ways and wondering why.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    The real irony is RC finding fault (or being triggered, as SC puts it) in a government minister expressing a desire that the leadership of some national bodies had a broader reflection of the whole country.
  • kingstongraham
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    ballysmate said:

    The real irony is RC finding fault (or being triggered, as SC puts it) in a government minister expressing a desire that the leadership of some national bodies had a broader reflection of the whole country.

    Only issue with that is that RC is expressing the exact reverse of what you accuse him of.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    edited May 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    The real irony is RC finding fault (or being triggered, as SC puts it) in a government minister expressing a desire that the leadership of some national bodies had a broader reflection of the whole country.

    Only issue with that is that RC is expressing the exact reverse of what you accuse him of.

    My bad. Didn't realise that he felt the need to post in order to express his support for Howden's statement. We'll make a true blue of him yet. ;)

    Ooops. Dowden
  • briantrumpet
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    ballysmate said:

    The real irony is RC finding fault (or being triggered, as SC puts it) in a government minister expressing a desire that the leadership of some national bodies had a broader reflection of the whole country.


    I'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion.

    1) This is the irony thread, and RC pointed out the irony.
    2) He's not triggered (see point 1)
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  • kingstongraham
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    ballysmate said:

    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    The real irony is RC finding fault (or being triggered, as SC puts it) in a government minister expressing a desire that the leadership of some national bodies had a broader reflection of the whole country.

    Only issue with that is that RC is expressing the exact reverse of what you accuse him of.

    My bad. Didn't realise that he felt the need to post in order to express his support for Howden's statement. We'll make a true blue of him yet. ;)

    Ooops. Dowden
    Will he start from the top? He's from the South east, went to Cambridge, worked for the conservative party, then a pr company and then the conservative party again before becoming a special adviser then mp for a South east constituency.

    If he thinks there should be better representation and fewer people like him, we'll make a social justice warrior of him yet. Very woke, that is.
  • surrey_commuter
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    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?


    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?

    My view entirely.

    Tbf the piece you quote doesn't mention imposing quotas does it? Dowden expresses a desire for a more diverse make up, something I would have thought you would have supported.
    Much like I may have a desire for a more diverse representation at the top of businesses or government, where we live in a true meritocracy but would not accept quotas to achieve this.

    Sure. I’m saying there’s irony here right?

    And I’m pointing that out.

    And the piece talks specifically about having more non-Londoners on the boards.

    For me the lack of consistency on the topic is revealing, right?


    We can have the debate on the topic of diversity representation - maybe in another thread - but I’m not taking a stance here - just pointing out this govt want it both ways and wondering why.
    Rick if you check those Boards my bet is that most of them are not Londoners. They are using Northerner as code for state educated so as not to upset their core support.
  • rick_chasey
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    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I can spell it out.

    Tories naturally object to diversity quotas, right?

    “Right person for the right job regardless of background”

    They don’t agree with the notion of forcing organisations to appoint people on the basis of their background.

    I mean, I don’t necessarily agree but it’s not an unreasonable position to take, right?


    Only, when it is the type of diversity the Tories would like, suddenly they seem to be ok with forcing organisations (in this instance, museums) to appoint people from certain backgrounds (from the “red wall” not London).

    So, I’m suggesting, it’s not the principle of quotas they object to. After all, they are proposing their own.

    So they are therefore objecting to the purpose of the quotas...and if the purpose is to improve things for minorities, why are they objecting?

    My view entirely.

    Tbf the piece you quote doesn't mention imposing quotas does it? Dowden expresses a desire for a more diverse make up, something I would have thought you would have supported.
    Much like I may have a desire for a more diverse representation at the top of businesses or government, where we live in a true meritocracy but would not accept quotas to achieve this.

    Sure. I’m saying there’s irony here right?

    And I’m pointing that out.

    And the piece talks specifically about having more non-Londoners on the boards.

    For me the lack of consistency on the topic is revealing, right?


    We can have the debate on the topic of diversity representation - maybe in another thread - but I’m not taking a stance here - just pointing out this govt want it both ways and wondering why.
    Rick if you check those Boards my bet is that most of them are not Londoners. They are using Northerner as code for state educated so as not to upset their core support.
    Sure - that’s not what I’m talking about?

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  • Stevo_666
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    As a Northerner I suppose that I should be looking forward to some of these token appointments if I want to keep going a couple of days a week when my current career is over.
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  • kingstongraham
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    Stevo_666 said:

    As a Northerner I suppose that I should be looking forward to some of these token appointments if I want to keep going a couple of days a week when my current career is over.

    Likewise, can fall back on my Yorkshire roots.
  • briantrumpet
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    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    As a Northerner I suppose that I should be looking forward to some of these token appointments if I want to keep going a couple of days a week when my current career is over.

    Likewise, can fall back on my Yorkshire roots.

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  • Stevo_666
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    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    As a Northerner I suppose that I should be looking forward to some of these token appointments if I want to keep going a couple of days a week when my current career is over.

    Likewise, can fall back on my Yorkshire roots.
    Never had you down as a Yorkshire man.

    I'm planning on living up there in a large house and can fly down when needed on Yorkshire's very own airline.

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